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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:55 am 
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Yondar wrote:
So what is the problem with it? What is the lesson for control player wannabes out there? Is it the lack of win conditions?


The overarching lesson is that you need to properly understand the metagame before you build a control deck. I based my list from whatever random multiplayer games I could find, which 4 out of 5 times were fairly pedestrian, in playskill if not deck construction. I followed the decklist threads on NGA, but I didn't actually test much with other NGAers, which I could and should have. And for a tournament like this, be prepared to abandon the plan to play control if you can't cover enough of the angles. Better to do anything proactive than have a vulnerable defensive strategy.

The more specific lesson definitely relates to the threat density of the deck. You can get away with playing 4-5 win conditions in a deck if you are playing lots of cantrips and draw. The Esper lists play Inspiration and sometimes Countermand which help those decks keep their hands full and find their wincons by the time they need to put them down. A bunch of ramp spells would have also helped threat density by pulling lands out of the library. Or, just play more wincons (and not convincing yourself that Lumbering Falls counts).

If I could do it again I'd go heavier green, lots of ramp (acid moss of course) and at least 4 sweepers including Planar Outburst.

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Yondar wrote:
So what is the problem with it? What is the lesson for control player wannabes out there? Is it the lack of win conditions?


The overarching lesson is that you need to properly understand the metagame before you build a control deck. I based my list from whatever random multiplayer games I could find, which 4 out of 5 times were fairly pedestrian, in playskill if not deck construction. I followed the decklist threads on NGA, but I didn't actually test much with other NGAers, which I could and should have. And for a tournament like this, be prepared to abandon the plan to play control if you can't cover enough of the angles. Better to do anything proactive than have a vulnerable defensive strategy.

The more specific lesson definitely relates to the threat density of the deck. You can get away with playing 4-5 win conditions in a deck if you are playing lots of cantrips and draw. The Esper lists play Inspiration and sometimes Countermand which help those decks keep their hands full and find their wincons by the time they need to put them down. A bunch of ramp spells would have also helped threat density by pulling lands out of the library. Or, just play more wincons (and not convincing yourself that Lumbering Falls counts).

If I could do it again I'd go heavier green, lots of ramp (acid moss of course) and at least 4 sweepers including Planar Outburst.


Is that an arguement for sideboarding then? If you take the assumption that they design the game since that there is no dominating meta, it's possible to build a counter to any deck. Of course the game does get broken due to players clever ingenuity.

Duels exist in a much more limited environment, hence the wait for the next release, and discovering the next 'big thing'.

If I realised, or predicted, that planar outburst might be good to have I could sideboard it. How much it might or needs to change the way my decks is built to win might depend, but it would at least give me options.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:02 am 
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So apparently dieverse1 and westaine were supposed to play Monday but westaine never got back to him. So dieverse1 decided to just not do anything about it and just informed me. so i am posting here with this information and hakeem do with this what you will.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:18 am 
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So apparently dieverse1 and westaine were supposed to play Monday but westaine never got back to him. So dieverse1 decided to just not do anything about it and just informed me. so i am posting here with this information and hakeem do with this what you will.


I don't see any reason to make the eliminated folks play if they don't want to.. unless there's a prize on the line for those spots.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:14 am 
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It may matter for tiebreakers.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:15 am 
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The percentage would be small but yes


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:47 am 
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Well, someone should run the numbers to see if it would make a difference. It's not like those players are winning a single gold coin for playing out the match...there is no reward or incentive.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:23 am 
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I'm really sorry guys, I've spend the last few days in a heavily medicated semi-coma. I had meant to communicate with Diverse after Sunday but ended up passing out early, woke up, remembered, fell asleep again... I don't know when I'll be active again, so I'm going to go ahead and concede this round to Diverse. I apologize for not getting my **** together long enough to post sooner. Really sorry!

...Going back to my awesome fever dreams now...

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:32 am 
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Well now we can do tiebreaker math. We'll start the Top 8 this weekend so expect the pairings by end of day tomorrow.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:46 am 
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Westane wrote:
I'm really sorry guys, I've spend the last few days in a heavily medicated semi-coma. I had meant to communicate with Diverse after Sunday but ended up passing out early, woke up, remembered, fell asleep again... I don't know when I'll be active again, so I'm going to go ahead and concede this round to Diverse. I apologize for not getting my **** together long enough to post sooner. Really sorry!

...Going back to my awesome fever dreams now...



Are you with a tropical disease like those in brazil? Hope you get better!


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Westane wrote:
I'm really sorry guys, I've spend the last few days in a heavily medicated semi-coma. I had meant to communicate with Diverse after Sunday but ended up passing out early, woke up, remembered, fell asleep again... I don't know when I'll be active again, so I'm going to go ahead and concede this round to Diverse. I apologize for not getting my **** together long enough to post sooner. Really sorry!

...Going back to my awesome fever dreams now...


Get better soon bro...

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:39 pm 
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Gemini, if it's us, want to do Saturday night at 8pm EST?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:53 pm 
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Gemini, if it's us, want to do Saturday night at 8pm EST?


Yes.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:08 pm 
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Onto the pairings, they should be up within an hour or two, depending on if the Demon wakes from her early slumber.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:11 pm 
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is the demon the wifey or your daughter?


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The Queen Demon is out shopping. The Demon is in bed.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:52 pm 
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All right, the math is done and the matchups are set. Let the elimination rounds commence!

#1 CovertGo blue vs. #8 Megabeast37215
#2 InFaMoUsGeMiNi vs. #7 Black Barney
#3 PeepySqueeps vs. #6 HA1LtoTHEking
#4 smokyalaterz vs. #5 Hakeem928

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One last thing, I don't have a link to any video for the round 5 matchup between InFaMoUsGeMiNi and HA1LtoTHEking. Does anyone have that?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:40 pm 
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IIRC, something went wrong and none of them recorded the game.

Looking forward for all matches!

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:21 pm 
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Yeah Lexxx is right, we both ended up having issues and it didn't get recorded, sorry bout that. The round can best be described as Gemini handing me a swift 2-0 a** beating


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