Mass removal is the bomb against them. But you gotta be quick!

This is why we need sideboards. Why can't we have nice things? :'(

Come on Rabble, you know my decks can never compete with rank 40 Steam

Since you've never played Rank 40 Steam, how would you know?

We seen it on YouTube!

Regarding Thopters: I really don't have to be all THAT quick. The turn two attackers are Runed Servitor and Perilous Myr.. nothing on turn 1. Turn three is Chief, Engineer and (lol)Esperzoa. So.. you don't have to be THAT fast. It's not Glory Chaser + Aura, Elite Vanguard + Nimbus Wings, or the Rakdos deck.

Don't get me wrong.. you can't durdle until turn 7. But you're not dead by turn 5 like the other builds.

Correct. In my 3rd match (spoiler) against control last night, I kept a hand with ZERO 2-drops and ZERO 3-drops. Didn't start playing until T4 and still won. You're right that Thopters aren't supposed to necessarily be explosively fast.

I'm glad we agree about Esperzoa, lol. You're going to get to have more fun playing around that than I will.

DJ says your Radkos deck is totally bonkers-good. You haven't even mentionned it to me!

It's been posted for awhile. It's actually Bliss's deck.. she told me to make it. I really like it. Haste and burn for days.

I really do like it. It's like my favorite Aggro deck at this time - dunno if that = best, but I really think it's cool.

Why do we hate Esperzoa?

Hey DJ, you gotta get a new mic or something. That scratchy stuff is nuts and I'm going to get ear cancer if it keeps up.

I'm going to replace it ASAP - tried to today, btw, but Best Buy didn't have what I wanted. I have no idea what's going on. My Xbone seems to be having troubles in general. I might just grab the headphones that comes with the box temporarily, and find something to replace the expensive ones in the short term, because yeah, this is ridiculous.

Tempo loss/slower clock/mana tax.

It's not garbage.. but it's not amazing either. I think Vile Aggregate would be better or equal. Esperoza also dies to Radiant Flames+Languish.. where Aggregate does not.. so if you get swept, then drop Rogue/Parents next turn, you're coming in for 3 trample damage AND you got your rebuild.

It's my favorite deck overall. It's got game vs just about everything except sweeper spam. It brings the pain early, and the burn package is a consistent finisher if they stabilize.

Sludge Crawler for president! That card is crazy good.. and underappreciated by many. It's what Bellows Lizard and Lavastep Raider wanna be when they grow up.

What does Vile Aggregate do?


DJ, that's good news! Can't wait to hear the new one. You only need a fancy headset if you're playing sound-important games like CoD.

Really the only deck I've had trouble against - but it is common - is thopter spam backed by myrs (e.g.: the deck Barney has seen it played against - for shame, I'm sorry I'm not representing it properly). It's got a lot of trouble with token strategies. As a tournament deck it would still be ace though, because we've got hard answers to 1/1 spammers in red and they are absolutely playable. And we can sub in some x of Touch of the Void as well as a rather neat FU to myrs in the event the opponent is not playing a token deck... Block this? no sir, get your butt into exile.

Vile Aggregate is a 3 drop, 0/5 with Trample/Ingest that gets +1 power for every colorless creature you control (including itself.. so it's always a 1/5). He's a cornerstone in the Rakdos deck.. which I just reposted for you.

Myr is one of many reasons to run Touch of the Void over Twin Bolt.. but the real reason is that Touch's exile turns on Wasteland Strangler for the next turn.. which is a devastating tempo loss, and often damn near lethal if you have Forerunner of Slaughter on the board.

Yeah... I think you've convinced me on that account. I'll test it with Touch for Twin next time out. I don't like so many 3 drops, but I 100% get the logic.

I play Twin Bolt over Touch, there are too many threes and the deck only had two Stranglers. Bolt is almost always better.

Bolt is never better vs Myr.. or as a finisher. It's good early to get some 1-2 toughness butts out of the way.. which is a significant advantage.. but it's value falls off after the early turns. I really, really hate losing a Forerunner of Slaughter to a Perilous Myr.. It's such a huge tempo loss for you.. you don't even want to attack into it and you're likely to get 2 for 1ed. Before you ask how often I see Myr.. I'd tell you it's about 1/3 of my matches. All the folks without the cards still run it, Crats runs it, Gruul/Evoleap runs it, Thopters run it.. It's still out there. Touch also kills Jaddi Offshoot/Chief of the Foundry/a bunch of other 3 toughness annoyances which your only answer for is Exquisite Firecraft/Ob Nixilis or two-for-oneing yourself.

I'm also not going to succumb to the curve argument. This is essentially a good stuff/burn deck and I want the best stuff and the hottest burn. Also.. Twin Bolt isn't a card you factor into your curve IMO.. its not a card that gets played on curve.. your creatures are what matters in the curve.. how you build your board.

T1 Sludge/Thornbow
T2 Myr/Forerunner/Bear
T3 Aggregate/Dominator/Strangler
T4 Pia and Kiran/Dust Stalker
T5 Win

Where does Twin Bolt fit into that equation? It's not a curve-out card.. It's spot removal.. and often times you won't be able to advance your board anyway.. regardless of which one you've cast.