I created the following after a long night of playing against too much evolpea, acid moss and ulamog - and playing all of those myself in my 'best' deck.

3 x Perilous Myr
1 x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
4 x Gatecreeper Vine
3 x Pilgrim's Eye
3 x Chief of the Foundry
3 x Bottle Gnomes
1 x Liliana, Heretical Healer
1 x Nissa, Vastwood Seer
3 x Retreat to Kazandu
3 x Whirler Rogue
3 x Suppression Bonds
2 x Thopter Spy Network
1 x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 x Kiora, Master of the Depths
1 x Planar Outburst
2 x Tragic Arrogance
1 x Ob Nixilis Reignited
2 x Plains
2 x Island
2 x Swamp
3 x Forest
2 x Lumbering Falls
2 x Shambling Vent
2 x Canopy Vista
2 x Prairie Stream
2 x Woodland Cemetery
1 x Hinterland Harbor
1 x Glacial Fortress
3 x Evolving Wild


This started with a desire to play as many planeswalkers as possible. Chandra requires too much commitment to red so I couldn't fit her in. I'm honestly not much of a fan of the other Gideon - though he would fit in easily enough.
This build also allowed me to play all the man lands.

The mana is torturous but the big set of artifacts and low curve help mitigate that problem in an acid moss meta.

The trickiest interaction for me so far has been Retreat to Kazandu. I frequently want to pump a newly created creature but forget and play my land before casting the creature - doh. Retreat with an evolving wilds out also creates potential for a combat trick that a lot of players don't consider even though it is all in plain view.

It usually plays a slow game. But games develop in all kinds of directions based on draw which makes it an adventure to play.

An update to my Dark Jeskai Control

Not a big one this time, -2 roil spouts +2 Languish, and some lands shifting around. Now I'm maindecking 8 boardwipes woot woot

1 x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
2 x Reprisal
2 x Gideon's Reproach
2 x Celestial Flare
3 x Telling Time

2 x Scatter to the Wind
3 x Spell Shivel
2 x Radiant Flames

4 x Brilliant Spectrum
2 x Languish
1 x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar

2 x Planar Outburst
2 x Tragic Arrogance
2 x Angelic Edict
1 x Ob Nixilus Reignited

1 x Part the Waterveil
1 x Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger

5 x Plains
5 x Island
2 x Swamp
1 x Mountain

2 x Shambling Vent
2 x Smoldering Marsh
2 x Sunken Hollow
2 x Prairie Stream
2 x Glacial Fortress
4 x Evolving Wilds

So it's Esper with a splash for radiant flames and Brilliant Spectrum.

You dissapoint Babs. Y U no Grixis with a white splash for shambling vent

well really it's just azorious splashing rakdos. there are 3 black spells and 2 red spells

and the reason it's not grixis is because every black control spell is basically out classed by another white spell

(puts hands over ears and shouts)
HEIL BOLAS ! WE SHALL NOT BE DISSUADED !

forgive my transgressions Lord Bolas but Ojutai has so much more knowledge I can exploit

That, for a spaniard like me, sounds particularly amusing

This mill deck seems to be doing very well. It got me to rank 40 from around 35, and has won all but 2-3 games out of 15-20. I've been rank 39-40 for the past 10 or so games.

Jace Vryn's Prodigy
4 Kalastria Healer
Liliana, Heretical Healer
3 Sphynx's Tutelage
4 Artificier's Epiphany
2 Radiant Flames
3 Whirler Rogue
3 Unified Front
2 Talent of the Telepath
4 Brilliant Spectrum
2 Languish
Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Planar Outburst
2 Necromantic Summons
Ob Nixilis Reignited

Lands: 2 of each plain land, 2 shambling vent (very useful in practice!), double lands, and 4 Evolving Wilds

The main idea is to use Tutelage together with lots of draw from Brilliant Spectrum and to a lesser extent Artificier's Epiphany. However, the mill deck is vulnerable to aggro decks. So in order to compensate for that, there is a two-pronged strategy of many sweepers plus going aggro with many creatures plus some lifegain. The Necromantic Summons are good when big creatures are milled from the opponent.

There are a few questions/things to maybe optimize. Are Jace and Liliana best here? How about Necromantic Summons? Would another card do better than Talent of the Telapath?

In general I dislike aggro white or red decks, and land destruction is overused and boring too. Same for Evoleap. This deck seems to be doing very well agains all of these common decks.

This mill deck seems to be doing very well. It got me to rank 40 from around 35, and has won all but 2-3 games out of 15-20. I've been rank 39-40 for the past 10 or so games.

Jace Vryn's Prodigy
4 Kalastria Healer
Liliana, Heretical Healer
3 Sphynx's Tutelage
4 Artificier's Epiphany
2 Radiant Flames
3 Whirler Rogue
3 Unified Front
2 Talent of the Telepath
4 Brilliant Spectrum
2 Languish
Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Planar Outburst
2 Necromantic Summons
Ob Nixilis Reignited

Lands: 2 of each plain land, 2 shambling vent (very useful in practice!), double lands, and 4 Evolving Wilds

The main idea is to use Tutelage together with lots of draw from Brilliant Spectrum and to a lesser extent Artificier's Epiphany. However, the mill deck is vulnerable to aggro decks. So in order to compensate for that, there is a two-pronged strategy of many sweepers plus going aggro with many creatures plus some lifegain. The Necromantic Summons are good when big creatures are milled from the opponent.

There are a few questions/things to maybe optimize. Are Jace and Liliana best here? How about Necromantic Summons? Would another card do better than Talent of the Telapath?

In general I dislike aggro white or red decks, and land destruction is overused and boring too. Same for Evoleap. This deck seems to be doing very well agains all of these common decks.


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Not bad but Guardian of Tazeem beats it single-handedly? So not recommended against the current Hard AI.

Formatted it for you, makes it easier for me to visualize

1 x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
4 x Kalastria Healer
1 x Liliana, Heretical Healer
3 x Sphinx's Tutelage
4 x Artificer's Epiphany
2 x Radiant Flames
3 x Whirler Rogue
3 x Unified Front
2 x Talent of the Telepath
4 x Brilliant Spectrum
2 x Languish
1 x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 x Planar Outburst
2 x Necromantic Summons
1 x Ob Nixilis Reignited

Ramp

4 x Blisterpod

4 x Gatecreeper Vine
2 x Evolutionary Leap

1 x Nissa, Vastwood Seer
2 x Reclamation Sage
4 x Natural Connection
2 x Radiant Flames

2 x Woodland Wanderer
2 x From Beyond
4 x Mwonvuli Acid-Moss
1 x Kiora, Master of the Depths

1 x Angelic Edict
2 x Tragic Arrogance

1 x Woodland Bellower
1 x Greenwarden of Murasa
1 x Oblivion Sower

1 x Omnath, Locus of Rage

1 x Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger

7 x Forest
2 x Mountain
1 x Island
2 x Plains
2 x Lumbering Falls
2 x Cinder Glade
2 x Canopy Vista
2 x Rootbound Crag
2 x Hinterland Harbor
2 x Sunpetal Grove


EDIT 1: -1 Reclamation Sage -2 Nissa's Pilgrimage, -4 Evolving Wilds; +1 Angelic Edict +4 Natural Connection +1 Mountain +1 Plains

This is the kind of Ramp decklist I found I like a lot. I basically took Hakeem's Naya list and modified it a bit.
Four colors help Woodland Wanderer out by a lot, and all of the splash cards have a very positive effect on the general strategy of the deck.
I am not 100% sure if it would be better to cut the Pilgrimages and the Evolving Wilds for 4xNatural Connection and two more lands (Plains&Mountain for instance). This still leaves me with 24 lands; but it gives a couple more outs to the cards that fetch basic lands. On the other hand, I do like the innate 2-for-1 from Pilgrimage a lot...
Currently running 4x Natural Connection; tend to like it a bit better since you have a turn 3 play more often

EDIT: Have been playing a lot with this deck and it is great. This is definitely where I'll settle for the moment.

Evoleap seems a little out of place as you aren't running a massive amount of targets, but I can get on board with that at a push.

I can't however get on board with splashing blue to make your deck strictly worse than the Naya variant.

You've lost Edict's, Planar Outburst's, Bond's and Ignition's etc to complicate your mana (including run falls which isn't needed) and get the chance at +1/1 for just 2 cards and run Kiora (who is being run over Gideon which is just so wrong).

3 Sage is overkill, especially as you're running a forth copy in Bellower. I'd run 4 Natural Connection even if this was just Naya, let alone a Nephilim deck. For a ramp deck your top end is pretty thin with no Revenge or Crusher. No Rolling Thunder... I just think you'd be better sticking to Naya (maybe in look at Kryder's deck in the Naya thread which is pretty good).

Thanks a lot for your reply!

Evoleap has more than enough targets to sacrifice between Blisterpods, Gatecreeper Vines and Scions. (Also, Omnath's Elemental tokens, if you feel like Lightning Bolt for ), and it helps searching for the top-end. Definitely like it.

I'm not 100% convinced that running Kiora over Gideon is wrong. You immediately draw 2 cards off her -2, and she ramps you the next turn if she sticks. I have to splash blue for her, but so far that hasn't been a huge issue (Heck, I'm basically playing green splashing 3 colors).
I agree that Gideon is a great card that fits any deck that can cast him, but with the small amout of White this deck is playing, I found him being more of a strain on my manabase than Kiora (who is basically 3).

Edict/Bonds are good and would probably be the first cards I'd add to the White splash. Outburst would be my Wraths #5&6 and don't hit Ulamog (which Arrogance does). I've been unimpressed with Ignition's performance, which is why I went out of my way to splash White for Arrogance in the first place instead of just running Temur with Ignition (same for Rolling Thunder; I'd probably run it if I went down the Nissa's Renewal route)

I am running 3 Sages because currently every single deck I'm facing runs multiple enchantments (be it CotFM & IB or Evoleap & Token-generator) and I'm always happy having one in my hand (I could see cutting 1 or 2 if I run Angelic Edict though).

My top-end may be a little thin, but the other cards for it I don't love. Hydra/Revenge/Crusher are big, but they don't do anything aside from it. The one card I think is an exception is Emeria Sheperd, but that would make me want to play more Plains, which would mean I'd indeed go Naya (Selesniya with the same red splash I'm currently running)

My argument for Gideon is that he is a win condition and is the only planeswalker who can be dropped onto an empty board and still protect itself. I'm not trying to say that Kiora is bad, she brings a lot of utility, but her main advantage is her - ability which just leaves her exposed.

I definitely think dropping a Sage or 2 for Edicts is correct: Edict can still hit enchantments and provides an out to Ulamog.

And out of the top end options I think your underestimating Revenge. 8 damage out of nowhere isn't to be sniffed at and he is a godsend in the control match up.

gideon is great turn 4, less great latter

to play a card on curve 90% of the time you need 18 sources, Modulo has 5 sources and 4 evolving wilds

I think he's right not to run him

Ob Nixilis and Nissa would like to challenge your claim.

Thanks for the replies, guys!

I changed the deck a bit; running Natural Connection instead of Evolving Wilds & Pilgrimage; also added 1 Edict over a Reclamation Sage.

The previous version had 13-ish sources before turn 4 (not being able to fetch double Plains hurt that though); the current version has 14. Still not quite enough for Gideon; but if you're adamant on cutting the blue splash, you could get there (though I still like Kiora as well as the manlands better I believe).

First Allies deck that I like...came to it by accident, trying to make a Bloodlord deck, lol

Works pretty good, against the AI is a joke, and against humans I go 5-0 for the moment...what's more important, feels already ok...wait till I get mossed to oblivion haha

4 x Kalastria Healer
1 x Jace, Vyn's Prodigy
3 x Skyrider Elf
2 x Kor Bladewhirl
1 x Felidar Cub
3 x Serene Steward
2 x Reprisal
1 x Gideon's reproach

2 x Lantern Scout
3 x Drana's Emissary
1 x Nissa, Vastwood Seer
2 x Veteran Warleader
1 x Read the bones

3 x Unified Front
2 x Woodland Wanderer
3 x Retreat to Emeria
1 x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 x Kiora, Master of the Depths

2 x Plains
2 x Swamp
2 x Forest
2 x Island
2 x Sunpetal Grove
1 x Canopy Vista
1 x Sunken Hollow
2 x Glacial Fortress
2 x Prairie Stream
2 x Isolated Chapel
2 x Woodland Cemetery
4 x Evolving Wilds


And I got to work Unified Front at last!! It's with Kalastria Healers and Gideon/Emerias how it gets its full potential...or seems so, imho...with a couple of Healers in the board, it's 8 damage + 8 life each...and with Warleaders they comb ok too

Wanderers and the walkers are the only non-ally...woodies are just too good in a 4 color deck. Cards that surprised me besides the Healers are the Stewards, really good manasinks, and the Warleaders...I hadn't realized how badass that card can get in a token allies decks, which this is at the core...
Kyora is there above all for the -2, needed..and with plenty of chumpblocker, she can finish sometimes

Weaker cards are the Castigators, I guess...but I don't see better ally, preferably white (the main color by far...) and the 3 punch is nice for early agression if uncontested. The Reproach feels weak, I'm thinking to change it for a Reave Soul, to take care of static creatures, aka unflipped walkers, Willbreakers etc

Comments? Maybe 1 Khyteon's Tactics?

Try it, it's really fun...and the board/gain life gets sick sometimes

(Edited for some tunning, and I had the land wrong, ntch...)

Definitely an interesting list; my takes on it:

-I am not sure if Blue is the best fourth color for you. Both Jace and Kiora look a bit mediocre in this deck and I've been pretty unimpressed by Skyrider Elf. On the other hand, Red would give you access to Firemantle Mage and Munda, Ambush Leader; both of which could be decent in this type of deck.

-Your main option for a different white 2-drop is Kor Bladewhirl; I think there are arguments for either it or Castigator.

-I am not very high on the Reproach either, especially in a more aggressive deck like this one. Don't know if I'd want Reave Soul, though; maybe just something like Ob Nix at the top of the curve?