Well played, numbers. Well played.

I wish I had a DayKill right about now.

But eh, I still very much doubt you'll achieve the condition required to see me lynch.

Then again, I've been wrong before... *looks at KoD*

Hey, Mafia team, I know I'm not really your friend and all, what with my wincon being directly against yours, but keep in mind this: the longer I live the more I distract the town from hunting you down. Also, if you target me tonight with your night kill fun things might happen. Fun for home you ask? Why don't you try it and find out! :-)

Fun for who**

Stupid autocorrect.

Zinger probably has a reason why he's telling us this information. Maybe his role requires that he let people know this stuff, but I think that's unlikely. I think it's far more likely that Zinger thinks that by telling us this information, we'll do whatever it is that he wants us to do (or not do).

One possibility is that we might have to make Zinger into an active threat before we are able to kill him. Maybe he was hoping to survive until late game in a dormant state by convincing us not to unleash him and then use his temporary immunity to being killed to swing the game in his favor.

Another is that it takes multiple lynches to kill him or a super-majority.

Regardless, I think killing Zinger is something that would be dangerous to put off for too long.


Zinger probably doesn't want to be investigated because it will probably not only bring him closer to becoming an active threat to the town, but it will also bring him closer to being vulnerable to being killed. I don't see why Zinger would try to prevent himself from becoming an active threat unless he felt like doing so was in his best interest.

@Zinger:

@Everyone Else:

Zinger


Words straight from the demon's mouth. Targeting him weakens the seal for him. Breaking his seal is his wincon. Ultimately he doesn't need to have us weaken his seal for him to break it. Therefore him winning doesn't require us targeting him. I suspect that this "breaking" of the seal probably takes the form of survive until Xth day, and targeting just reduces how much time until he reaches that point. But that's just an assumption. Either way, Numbers has made the case crystal clear to understand. Zinger cannot live, and it is in the interest of everyone that isn't Zinger to unanimously vote him into oblivion.

Wait, if people from outside the game are allowed to post, and Zinger needs a strange condition to be filled in order to be lynched, maybe this can work:

Vote: Zinger

I don't think it would rely on specific roles to be killed, but that is hilarious.

Vote Count
Zinger - Rubik, Rubik, Rubik, KoD, Numbers (5)
Niklor - Zinger (1)

The wild possibilities are being somewhat cut down.

@Zinger
A day not ending in a lynch wouldn't happen to weaken your seal, would it?

As things stand, I would agree that we need to unanimously vote Zinger before day's end. In the event it doesn't lynch him, we can figure out if we want to just all stay piled onto him until deadline or evaluate if there are other credible possibilities for his lynch condition.

Vote: Zinger

Vote Count
Zinger - Rubik, Rubik, Rubik, KoD, Numbers, Niklor (6)
Niklor - Zinger (1)

Anyone else noticing how Zinger has done nothing but bait us into voting for him? If someone goes through that much trouble to establish themselves as a threat I'd be extra wary of falling into a trap. Consider also that the only thing we know for sure that brings him closer to becoming a threat is investigating him, so if his voting condition follows the same pattern we would only be hastening our demise if we dogpile him.

Dammit, I was going to throw in a vote at the last minute. That was my plan I mentioned earlier. But I guess it doesnt work.



Was thinking that wording was more significant than it is proven, and included votes, but didnt want to tip that until he was close to a lynch.

Just for funsies...
Vote: Zinger

@Turin:

I sincerely doubt it is a trap on Zinger's part. Strictly because he makes an effort to stick to his NLP, so everything he has said that does not concern his alignment (although I have no reason to doubt him on his alignment here) can be taken as fact. Specifically speaking, his wincon isn't hastened by his being lynched nor will it trigger our doom. As he has stated, we all lose if he wins. He wins by breaking his seal. He's opted to tell us that his seal weakens from being targeted, but that his seal's weakening isn't necessary for him to break it.

Given how he started off the day, insisting that he was nigh invincible, one can safely assume that killing him does not risk our own lives.

That being said, I'm fairly confident that we need everyone to vote him to kill him. If you abstain from doing so, then we won't be able to kill him because of you. I urge you to reconsider this and join us with voting him to death.

KoD, could you please quote exactly where Zinger said that voting for him to be lynched would not weaken his seal or that it wouldn't hurt us? Because I don't recall him saying that. I'm also not sure why you'd think a player who can only be killed by a unanimous vote would go out of his way to establish that he was a threat to every player, and then egg on people to vote for him.

@Rubik: Zinger already is an active threat. He's admitted as much. What information he did provide was probably in an attempt to ensure his extended life, as living would be more important to him than getting himself targeted intentionally. It's also potentially dangerous to him (to be targeted) if he's only immune to certain roles.

@lynching Zinger: Zinger already said he could be lynched today, which means nobody has to die beforehand since Zinger wouldn't be able to foresee a death before his lynch today. Additionally no abilities would need to be used beforehand for the same reasons. Given Zinger's reply to my last post, it's more than likely that I hit the nail on the head and Zinger's motivation now is simply to convince at least one person that voting for him is a bad idea.

@not lynching Zinger: As I said before, there's literally no reason to let him live. He's not going to become a threat, he already is a threat. That doesn't just apply to town. It applies to mafia as well. He cannot win with either faction, so both factions have a vested interest in not letting him try to sneak a win in. Town, given their win condition, will have to eliminate Zinger before they can win. Given this alone, no town aligned player has any reason to not vote Zinger as soon as possible. Mafia, on the other hand, may or may not need to eliminate him to win, but the longer they let him live, the more opportunity he has to steal victory. Killing him today serves their purposes well. He won't be around to try to steal a win later and mafia will make it through today's lynch without losing one of their own. Conversely not joining town in this endeavor puts a giant spotlight on any individual that decides against acting for the best interest of both sides. That is not in mafia's best interest.

Zinger never said that lynching him wouldn't weaken his seal or harm us. He said that targeting him weakens his seal. He said that fullfilling his wincon will cause all of us to lose (wincon being to break his seal).

As it stands, you're content to take something he hasn't said as a reason to entertain not joining us in lynching him? Let me take it a bit more extreme then you are doing then. Zinger never said that letting him live past today wouldn't weaken his seal or harm us. Therefore, Zinger living past today weakens his seal making it easier for him to fullfill his wincon.

Also, since Zinger never said that we have to post in alphabetical order to prevent his seal from weakening, we are helping him by not posting in alphabetical order. We're also helping him because we're all not including in our posts thereby weakening his seal even more.

Point being, yes, he never said it, but that doesn't mean that is the case. Numbers's gave you everything you need to know in regards to dealing with Zinger. All of us need to follow it to hopefully eliminate Zinger.

Right now it's simple imo.

There was already a votecount with a majority (6 for zinger). No day was ended.
So I don't see the problem with trying it further.

Vote: zinger

+1
Vote: zinger

Vote Count
Zinger - Rubik, Rubik, Rubik, KoD, Numbers, Niklor, Scarlet, Neo (8)
Niklor - Zinger (1)

KoD, did you stop and try to rationalize Zinger's behavior? The part where he willingly turned every player against him? Sure, maybe letting Zinger live longer breaks his seal, but Zinger hasn't tried to do that. If he wanted to live longer, why would he take the sequence of actions that has led us to this point? If you indeed need every person to lynch him, when would that ever happen under normal circumstances?

Turin is arguing that it might be a trap, and while I'm not saying I believe that it is, what you're saying isn't really a counter-argument.

With that said, I think the requirements for where currently voting for zinger being a bad idea would be too oddly specific to entertain, so I'll join. I might change it closer to the end of the day though.
Vote: Zinger

Voting for me is boring. Let's lynch someone more fun. Like Rubik.

Tell you what guys, I'll make a deal with you: lynch Rubik today and I'll tell you exactly how I can be lynched tomorrow. I promise. Now see? I can be fair and useful too.

So what do ya say? You ever make a deal with the devil in the pale moonlight?