uh, ok
Was there a reason you said all that, since none of it was new information? Except the last statement, which you have no way to verify.

No. Arguing with KoD makes me really upset.

Give me my damn worms, Mown. Don't you hold out on me.

If you want something better than worms, I can explain myself in greater detail later tonight, Niklor. Distracted by last-minute Christmas shopping as I am, the most I can say for now is that a truly random choice in the first round provides me the greatest chance of picking a scum target. It's my first game, after all, and I won't really know how to vote until I get a clearer sense for how folks operate.

That topic has sort of been beat into the ground and I probably lean more on the side of random selection being more likely to hit scum on Day 1 than the alternative. I'd be happy to listen in greater detail to your reasoning if you'd like to state it.

@Mown: Yes.



Unless you meant something else by what you typed here, then that is why I typed what I did. For example, when you mentioned you assumed majority lynch meant someone gets lynched, I took this to mean you believe majority lynch means that if someone is lynched by just one vote, then that is a majority lynch. If that's not the intended idea you meant to put forth and meant for just what is already known, well ok.

As for threat being vague and this being highlander, all I did with mentioning that was to correct you on the highlander part and give you perspective as to a basis for viewing threats. Or were you just joking when you typed that all up?

Also what does not liking arguing with me have to do with answering a question Niklor asked concerning something that I have not talked about? If you think there are credible reasons, then put them forth. Otherwise, what was the point in you mentioning any of that in the first place?

@Niklor: Ok. I'm still not removing my vote since 4 votes is not lynch. Should he be brought closer to lynch long before deadline, then I'll help by removing it.

Elijin's Fun Fact of the Day!

You cant end a day which hasnt started.


Wait it has started, just hasnt bolded Fruitcup's name for some reason. Nevermind then.

Lots going on. I've got a few questions I to the mod, and will comment further tomorrow, when I get some replies. While I'm never opposed to a zinger lynch, I am opposed to such an early day 1 lynch, in case his lynch condition is just majority+1 or something like that.

I will not be lynched by a majority+1 Neo, no worries. If everyone is intent on testing the limits of my immortality, then worrying about the day ending early should be the least of your worries (hint: it won't). If I were town I'd find your statement to be scummy because you are insinuating that those who are voting me are interested in the day ending early...

But I'm not town so what do I care if your behaviour is scummy or not...

@Mod: over the next 10 days my activity will be nearly non-existent. Holiday plans > Mafia game. I will make an effort to check in, skim the thread, and maybe make a minimalistic post occasionally during this time, but no promises.


@Niklor, as far as I know I can vote just fine, although, it doesn't explicitly stated that I can... Shall we test?

Vote: Niklor, for no other reason than to answer your question.

@Pdr, I'm going to refrain from answering that question on the basis that my answer would either a) make the mafia my enemy, b) make the town my enemy, or c) make both teams my enemy. Let's not upset the delicate balance we've got going on right now, shall we?

Sorry, my response to Pdr in my previous post is actually a response to Mown.

I'm tired.

So your standard wincon is not compatible with town then.

I mean, you cant be nightkilled. So you have nothing to fear from making an enemy out of the mafia, and everything to gain by letting the town know winning with them is a possibility. Hiding the win con based on 'not upsetting the balance' just evades saying you cant win with town, without violating your NLP.

So the day would then end after the first vote?
No, I meant that if Zinger reaches majority and can't be lynched, then I assume the day won't prematurely end with NL.

'Threat' is a vague word and I stand by that. If I go on a spree trying to get rid of every town, then that makes me a threat, regardless of my alignment. Of course the normal assumption would be to treat non-town as threats, but there's no certainty that this is the case.

Because you discussed random voting to death the last game (and then subsequently went on to non-random lynch a town, which I find hilarious), and I don't think it's worthwhile going over it all again. Although there is no way to vote for actual random this time, rolling a dice is kind of equivalent.

@Zinger: Our "delicate balance" is you cooperate fully with everything we ask of you, or you will be treated as a hostile threat. It's standard self bargaining, you know the drill.

@Mown, "Threat" is intentionally vague because it's a term that blanket applies to any number of alignments and/or players that must be eliminated in order for town to win. These threats are by design though, and not by action, which was the point KoD was making. It doesn't matter if somebody antagonizes the town if eliminating them isn't necessitated by game function.

@Numbers: Eh. Fair enough. I've no real need for smoke and mirrors anyway. My wincon is not compatible with the town or the mafia wincon. If I win you all lose. I'm a three billion year old all powerful demon disguised as a random dude. My wincon is to break the seal on my power so I can unleash death and destruction on everyone. Being targeted weakens the seal - so hey if you wanna target me go ahead - but ultimately weakening the seal is not required for me to break it (it just makes it easier for me). Can you figure out how to stop me before I turn the tables on you and win? Or are you guys doomed to suffer my hellish wrath? Mwahahahahahaaa!

Man, I feel like Carnage from Maximum Carnage: A Spider-Man Mafia. This is fun. :-)

I'll be impressed if you guys can figure out how to lynch me. I'll be honest, I'm not sure how much the presence of a triple voter skews the numbers in your favour. But I doubt it will make much of a difference.

Maybe you have to amass votes on me in reverse alphabetical order? Or maybe a specific individual needs to be the third person to have voted me for all others to count? Or maybe I can only be lynched if I have a majority of votes against me on a Friday? Or maybe it's more simple than that and you just need like, 10 votes to kill me or some ****? What could it be?

Hey no lie policy, is it any of those things?

Wouldn't you like to know.

Vote: Zinger

Lynching Zinger is obviously a matter of numbers. We can deduce this based on his uncertainty of how the triple voter would play into the mix. If it was a matter of order, specfic voter, or specific time placed in a specific vote slot, a triple vote would be irrelevant. So he would either be lying about his uncertainty or we can rule these possibilities out. If he's uncertain, his pm is probably worded in a way that a specific number is indicated but not directly stated. Let's take true majority in mayoral type roles. This could go one of two ways: a number is alloted (in this game 9 votes gets the lynch) or it's more literal in every player in the game outside of him needing to vote for him (I am solidly leaning here as needing all players to vote for him would give him the air of immortality if he truly believes that it's unlikely that the entire game would vote for him day 1). If Lilan isn't clear on how he's going to handle the situation, that would result in Zinger being able to state uncertainty because he'd actually be uncertain which is the case. Everything else is Zinger trying to misdirect the game without violating his NLP. An act that as I recall he said would be against the spirit of his NLP previously, as recently as Gintama (where he said his loopholes were there solely to protect teammates and not to trick people). So put as much faith in this argument as you'd care to given it's dependent on Zinger being true to his NLP which is again questionable this game.

But putting all that aside we have Zinger admitting that what he previously described as "turning him to a threat to town" is actually a means for him to achieve his win con and that he is, was, and always will be a threat to town, for he cannot win with town. His winning also means mafia losing, by his own admission. This puts Zinger in the precarious position of literally admitting to being the enemy of every single other player in this game, so I see no reason why anybody should argue against compiling every vote that is not Zinger's on top of him to see if that would create a lynch, as there's no reason to keep him alive and he's already stated that day will not end early if we fail to lynch him.

I would not like to know, violation of NLP!

Technically that's a question on Zinger's part with bad punctuation Eli.