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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:53 pm 
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Out of the 17 decks that exist, what are the best and worst card in each deck? Basic lands need not apply.

Current Leaders
Best

MM - force of will
DW - corrupt
LOD - rune-scarred demon
HS - predator ooze
COTM - avenger of zendikar and tooth and nail
SM - immaculate magistrate
FW - inferno titan
GOL - kor spiritdancer
BB - cathars' crusade
AG - path to exile
UB - accumulated knowledge
MOTD - stolen identity and spinal embrace and last gasp
DB - remand
SS - umezawa's jitte
ETD - dragon broodmother
HOC - rhox war monk
SH - mirror entity

Worst

MM - omniscience
DW - soul bleed
LOD - lord of the pit
HS - wurmskin forger
COTM - rites of flourishing
SM - mythic proportions
FW - stalking vengeance
GOL - staff of the sun magus
BB - ancestor's chosen and welkin guide
AG - angel's mercy
UB - silent-blade oni and cerulean sphinx
MOTD - vengeful vampire
DB - spirit away
SS - myojin of infinite rage
ETD - torrent of fire and artifact mutation
HOC - battleflight eagle
SH - coat of arms

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Best

Mind Maze - force of will 5, lord of the unreal 2, counterspell 1
Deadwalkers - grave pact 1, gravecrawler 2, corrupt 3, undead warchief 1, Grave Titan 1
Demons - no mercy 2, bloodgift demon 2, rune-scarred demon 3, diabolic servitude 1, damnation 1
Hunter's Strength - predator ooze 4, green sun's zenith 1, rancor 1, eternal witness 1
Chant - avenger of zendikar 3, tooth and nail 3, primeval titan 2
Elves - immaculate magistrate 3, joraga warcaller 1, sylvan messenger 2, timberwatch elf 1
Firewave - flamebreak 1, inferno titan 2, chandra's phoenix 1, seismic assault 1, browbeat 1, sulfuric vortex 1
Guardians - kor spiritdancer 7
Boon - cathars' crusade 5, restoration angel 1, cloudgoat ranger 1
Avacyn - champion of the parish 3, path to exile 4, baneslayer angel 1
Reanimator - accumulated knowledge 3, keiga, the tide star 1, dimir doppelganger 1, exhume 1, exhume 1
Dimir - last gasp 2, stolen identity 2, dinrova horror 1, spinal embrace 2, chittering rats 1
Izzet - banefire 1, remand 4, breaking point 1, electrolyze 1
Samurai - umezawa's jitte 8
Dragons - maelstrom pulse 2, dragon broodmother 3, flameblast dragon 1, broodmate dragon 1, form of the dragon 1
Bant - rhox war monk 3, sublime archangel 2, finest hour 2
Slivers - mirror entity 4, path to exile 2, thorncaster sliver 1, predatory sliver 1

Worst

Mind Maze - omniscience 7
Deadwalkers - soul bleed 4, farbog boneflinger 3
Demons - lord of the pit 7
Hunter's Strength - wurmskin forger 5, biorhythm 1
Chant - rites of flourishing 5, exploration 1, bountiful harvest 1
Elves - mythic proportions 3, verdant embrace 1, biorhythm 2
Firewave - stalking vengeance 3, staff of the flame magus 2, inferno 1
Guardians - guardian's magemark 1, staff of the sun magus 3, healer of the pride 1, divine transformation 1
Boon - ancestor's chosen 3, welkin guide 3
Avacyn - voice of the provinces 3, angel's mercy 4
Reanimator - silent-blade oni 2, cerulean sphinx 2, dimir cutpurse 1, reanimate 1, gather specimens 1
Dimir - dire undercurrents 1, vengeful vampire 3, guardian of the ages 2, smog elemental 1
Izzet - spirit away 4, stolen goods 1, fireblast 1
Samurai - ronin warclub 1, myojin of infinite rage 4, avatar of slaughter 2
Dragons - torrent of fire 3, artifact mutation 3, kilnmouth dragon 1
Bant - battleflight eagle 6
Slivers - lifeline 2, groundshaker sliver 1, coat of arms 4


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:59 pm 
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Best I would say Path to Exile with Force of Will on par with it. Worst would be Omniscence or Myojin of Infinite Rage.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:01 am 
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That is one vote for path then. You can vote for as many bad cards as you want, but you only get one vote for "best".

I say it's still force of will and omniscience. No matter how far this game goes, counters are still as annoying as all hell, and omniscience remains the most useless card ever. Even the myojin could technically do something without a really extensive combo if you ever manage to cast it.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:04 am 
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I get the feeling were just gonna be hearing 'Path to Exile/Force of Will and Omniscience' a lot here. If I can make a suggestion why not make it best and worst card for each deck? A little more work yes but could lead to some fun discussion.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:06 am 
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I get the feeling were just gonna be hearing 'Path to Exile/Force of Will and Omniscience' a lot here. If I can make a suggestion why not make it best and worst card for each deck? A little more work yes but could lead to some fun discussion.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:20 am 
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There I put mine up. I will add whatever you guys vote for when I get a chance.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:01 am 
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Avacyn's Glory
Best: Path to Exile
Worst: Angel's Mercy

Guardians of Light
Best: Kor Spiritdancer
Worst: Healer of the Pride

Firewave
Best: Chandra's Phoenix
Worst: Stalking Vengeance

Masks of Dimir
Best: Spinal Embrace
Worst: Guardian of the Ages

Enter the Dracomancer
Best: Dragon Broodmother
Worst: Artifact Mutation

Hunter's Strength
Best: Predator Ooze
Worst: Wurmskin Forger

Mind Maze
Best: Lord of the Unreal
Worst: Omniscience

Deadwalkers
Best: Undead Warchief
Worst: Farbog Boneflinger

Chant of the Mul Daya
Best: Tooth and Nail
Worst: Exploration

Sliver Hive
Best: Thorncaster Sliver
Worst: Coat of Arms

Bounce and Boon
Best: Cathars' Crusade
Worst: Welkin Guide

Lords of Darkness
Best: Diabolic Servitude
Worst: Lord of the Pit

Hall of Champions
Best: Finest Hour
Worst: Battleflight Eagle

Dodge and Burn
Best: Remand
Worst: Stolen Goods

Sylvan Might
Best: Joraga Warcaller
Worst: Biorhythm

Unfinished Business
Best: Dimir Doppelganger
Worst: Reanimate

Swords of the Samurai
Best: Umezawa's Jitte
Worst: Myojin of Infinite Rage

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:03 am 
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Oh, that’s fun!

Best:

Mind Maze – Force of Will
Deadwalkers – Gravecrawler
Lords of Darkness – Bloodgift Demon
Chant – Avenger of Zendikar
Avacyn’s Glory – Path to Exile
Unfinished Business – Accumulated Knowledge
Masks of the Dimir – Stolen Identity
Sword of the Samurai – Jitte :/
Dragons – Dragon Broodmother
Slivers – Mirror Entity

Worst:

Mind Maze – Omniscience
Deadwalkers – Farbog Boneflinger (anyone seen this even once?..)
Lords of Darkness – Lord of the Pit
Chant – Rites of Flourishing (I’ve never ever seen this card)
Avacyn – Voice of the Provinces 1
Unfinished Business – Cerulean Sphinx
Masks of the Dimir – Guardian of the Ages
Samurai – Myojin of Infinite Rage
Dragons – Torrent of Fire
Slivers – Groundshaker Sliver

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:31 am 
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Lexxx20 wrote:
Deadwalkers – Farbog Boneflinger (anyone seen this even once?..)
Chant – Rites of Flourishing (I’ve never ever seen this card)

I've seen both hit the table. As well as Voice of the Province and Guardian of the Ages.

BEST
Avacyn's Glory - Path to Exile
Bounce & Boon - Cathars' Crusade
Chant of Mul Daya - Tooth and Nail
Deadwalkers - Corrupt
Dodge & Burn - Remand
Enter the Dracomancer - Dragon Broodmother
Firewave - Inferno Titan
Guardians of Light - Kor Spiritdancer
Hall of Champions - Sublime Archangel
Hunter's Strength - Predator Ooze
Lords of Darkness - Rune-Scarred Demon
Masks of the Dimir - Dinrova Horror
Mind Maze - Force of Will
Sliver Hive - Path to Exile
Swords of the Samurai - Umezawa's Jitte
Sylvan Might - Immaculate Magistrate
Unfinished Business - Keiga, the Tide Star

Worst
Avacyn's Glory - Angel's Mercy
Bounce & Boon - Welkin Guide
Chant of Mul Daya - Rites of Flourishing
Deadwalkers - Soul Bleed
Dodge & Burn - Spirit Away
Enter the Dracomancer - Artifact Mutation
Firewave - Staff of the Flame Magus
Guardians of Light - Staff of the Sun Magus
Hall of Champions - Battleflight Eagle
Hunter's Strength - Wurmskin Forger
Lords of Darkness - Lord of the Pit
Masks of the Dimir - Vengeful Vampire
Mind Maze - Omniscience
Sliver Hive - Coat of Arms
Swords of the Samurai - Myojin of Infinite Rage
Sylvan Might - Verdant Embrace
Unfinished Business - Dimir Cutpurse

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:36 am 
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Lexx and Drac added.

Lexx you only voted for 10 decks. In a new post, so that I don't have to do a lot of thinking, would you be willing to vote for the others?

Also garren I waited for you, but for the love of everything, remove the spoilers. That triples my amount of work man.......


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:43 am 
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Also garren I waited for you, but for the love of everything, remove the spoilers. That triples my amount of work man.......


Fair enough but the post is gonna be huge. Just a warning.

Edit: Ah forget it not going to bother with justifications. I'll defend my choices if anyone asks about them.

Edit Edit: Okay Done! Add 'em to the slate.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:45 am 
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Best:
Mind Maze: Force of Will
Deadwalkers: Corrupt
Lords of Darkness: Rune-Scarred Demon
Hunter's Strength: Predator Ooze
Chant of the Mul Daya: Tooth and Nail
Sylvan Might: Immaculate Magistrate
Firewave: Inferno Titan
Guardians of Light: Kor Spiritdancer
Bounce and Boon: Cathars' Crusade
Avacyn's Glory: Path to Exile
Unfinished Business: Accumulated Knowledge
Masks of the Dimir: Spinal Embrace
Dodge and Burn: Remand
Sword of the Samurai: Umezawa's Jitte
Enter the Dracomancer: Maelstrom Pulse
Hall of Champions: Sublime Archangel
Sliver Hive: Mirror Entity

All of these are game winners, either singlehandedly or pretty close.

Worst:
Mind Maze: Omniscience
Deadwalkers: Soul Bleed
Lords of Darkness: Lord of the Pit
Hunter's Strength: Wurmskin Forger
Chant of the Mul Daya: Rites of Flourishing - At least Exploration doesn't kill you.
Sylvan Might: Mythic Proportions? Having trouble deciding this one.
Firewave: Stalking Vengeance - I want to like it but it belongs in gimmick decks only. Far too expensive.
Guardians of Light: Divine Transformation. So many better auras.
Bounce and Boon: Ancestor's Chosen
Avacyn's Glory: Angel's Mercy - What's better less unplayable, 2 overcosted blockers or 7 life?
Unfinished Business: Tough one. Gonna have to settle on Cerulean Sphinx.
Masks of the Dimir: Vengeful Vampire
Dodge and Burn: Spirit Away
Sword of the Samurai: Avatar of Slaughter - Seriously? People are saying the Myojin is less playable than suicide on a stick?
Enter the Dracomancer: Torrent of Fire. Artifact Mutation would be pretty good if there were more artifacts around. If.
Hall of Champions: Battleflight Eagle - It took until this thread for me to remember this was even in the deck. That's how awful it is.
Sliver Hive: Coat of Arms


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:38 pm 
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mjack33 wrote:
Also garren I waited for you, but for the love of everything, remove the spoilers. That triples my amount of work man.......


Fair enough but the post is gonna be huge. Just a warning.

Edit: Ah forget it not going to bother with justifications. I'll defend my choices if anyone asks about them.

Edit Edit: Okay Done! Add 'em to the slate.

Well, I'd love a justification for reanimate as the worst card in UB. It's an amazing card and is vital to the all-in build.

I'll try to give my own list when I get back from work.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:57 pm 
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Garren, do you truly believe that exploration is worse than into the wilds and rites of flourishing?


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@sic, I personally think warclub is the worst card in the deck. It's a 3 cmc 5 equip cost +2/+1. That may move around, whether or not you want it to. I didn't want to go the route of really expensive creature that would be devastating if you ever got it out (but you never will :plot:), but people pick myojin just because it's 10 mana and the deck can't really get to that reliably.


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Mind Maze - Lord of the Unreal
Deadwalkers - corrupt
Demons - bloodgift demon
Hunter's Strength - Green Sun's Zenith
Chant - avenger of zendikar
Elves - immaculate magistrate
Firewave - Seismic Assault
Guardians - kor spiritdancer
Boon - cathars' crusade
Avacyn - Baneslayer Angel
Reanimator - Rune-Scarred Demon
Dimir - stolen identity
Izzet - Breaking Point
Samurai - umezawa's jitte
Dragons - Flameblast Dragon
Bant - Finest Hour
Slivers - mirror entity

Worst

Mind Maze - omniscience
Deadwalkers - farbog boneflinger
Demons - lord of the pit
Hunter's Strength - wurmskin forger
Chant - rites of flourishing
Elves - mythic proportions
Firewave - staff of the flame magus
Guardians - staff of the sun magus
Boon - welkin guide
Avacyn - voice of the provinces
Reanimator - silent-blade oni
Dimir - Smog Elemental
Izzet - Fireblast
Samurai - myojin of infinite rage
Dragons - artifact mutation
Bant - battleflight eagle
Slivers - coat of arms


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 3:16 pm 
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Sacade I have to go, so I have to add you later. Sorry. Interesting choices though.


So far it seems like jitte, spiritdancer, and crusade are just going to sit on top of their respective decks for a while.


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I get it, everyone tried Oni and it was disappointing due to lack of evasion. Is it really worst in the deck than Cerulean Sphinx though? Or Fool's Demise?


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I only had 10 minutes, so I couldn't update everything, but I put in a Best column, and I'll add a worst column later. I added everyone's votes.


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I play less than half of this decks so take my choice with a grain of salt. Oni doesn't look good to me but I don't know Unfinished Business enough to be sure :D :sweat:
Maybe Cerulean Sphinx is worst but I like flying creatures :|


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