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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:55 pm 
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I am wondering about the interaction between Myth Realized & Starfield of Nyx with 5 or more enchantments in play. In MTGO, Myth Realized remains a 1/1 creature after activating it's ability to have power & toughness equal to the counters on it. I've looked over the MTGO bug blog & didn't see it listed, so I'm wondering if it is a bug in MTGO, or if it is playing correctly.

2/25/2015 Activating the ability that turns Myth Realized into a creature while it’s already a creature will override any effects that set its power or toughness to a specific value. Effects that modify power or toughness without directly setting them to a specific value will continue to apply.

If this is not a bug, the second case in bold is what I believe we have here.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:06 pm 
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MTGO is wrong, whether they know about it yet or not. Myth Realized's ability will overwrite its current base power and toughness until the end of the turn.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:09 pm 
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It's a bug. The same ruling you just quoted tells you what happens when it's already a creature and you activate its ability.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:20 pm 
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Looks like MTGO is treating the Myth's ability as a characteristic-defining ability--if it was one, remaining a 1/1 would be proper behavior. But it's not a CDA, so yes, it's a bug.

Though it might be worth noting that if you activate Myth Realized before dropping the Starfield, it should turn into a 1/1 and remain so until you reactivate the Myth. Timestamps!

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I got sarnath'd while writing this post, but here's my in-depth explanation:

Relevant Rules wrote:
613.3a Layer 7a: Effects from characteristic-defining abilities that define power and/or toughness are applied. See rule 604.3.
613.3b Layer 7b: Effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value are applied. Effects that refer to the base power and/or toughness of a creature apply in this layer.

613.6. Within a layer or sublayer, determining which order effects are applied in is usually done using a timestamp system. An effect with an earlier timestamp is applied before an effect with a later timestamp.

613.6a A continuous effect generated by a static ability has the same timestamp as the object the static ability is on, or the timestamp of the effect that created the ability, whichever is later.
613.6b A continuous effect generated by the resolution of a spell or ability receives a timestamp at the time it’s created.


Neither ability is a characteristic-defining ability, so they both apply in Layer 7b. The timestamp of Myth Realized's effect is the timestamp of the effect that created that P/T-setting ability, which means the time the activated ability resolved. The timestamp of Starfield of Nyx's effect is the timestamp of Starfield of Nyx itself. This means the Starfield's effect should be applied first, and then the Myth's effect should be applied, so the resulting P/T should be equal to the number of lore counters on Myth Realized.

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I was questioning whether Starfield of Nyx would be considered as setting them to a specific value. In which case MTGO would be working correctly.

Thanks for the responses.


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dknowle, the ruling you quoted about certain effects continuing to apply is referring to effects like Giant Growth or Glorious Anthem. Those will be applied on top of whatever Myth Realized's P/T get set to, but effects that set its P/T to a specific value will be overridden.

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dknowle, the ruling you quoted about certain effects continuing to apply is referring to effects like Giant Growth or Glorious Anthem. Those will be applied on top of whatever Myth Realized's P/T get set to, but effects that set its P/T to a specific value will be overridden.


Gotcha...that makes sense. Thanks!

Also, I made a bug report for MTGO.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 4:53 am 
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Reply back from WOTC...they have logged the bug

Response By Email (Support Rep) (10/29/2015 05:04 PM)
Thanks for reporting that, David. You are correct that it's a bug. We have this logged for our developers to fix, and once a fix is scheduled, we'll include it in our patch notes on mtgo.com.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:08 am 
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Nice!

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Always in favor of customer service responses that aren't straight-up form letters. :thumbsup:

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Yeah, it was a quick response too. I'm was impressed with WOTC service.


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