banning lotus for a bit is fine, but actively sabotaging the format so that if someone ever unbans it everything goes to hell is just childish.

You know what?

If door comes in first place, he can do whatever he wants with the bans right? Just don't let that happen.

If Jack comes in first place next round, I'm unbanning all Titans and I'm banning Mishra's again. I think lotus winning the first round and probably the 2nd will make it get banned again anyways.

lol, I honestly don't think there is a solution to it other than typical rotations in the meta. As for banning Lotus targets, there really aren't that many that would need to be banned before Lotus decks were "ignorable". The problem is that there are a lot of Hyper-Versatile threats that Lotus can push out. You can still have strong Lotus decks that aren't 3 cards in 1. A few examples:

Inferno Titan isn't a great Titan because it's vulnerable to removal and still only attacks on one axis. It's power-level is acceptable as a Lotus target because a wider range of decks stop it.
Sorin Markov is an acceptable Planeswaker because he has no defence against creatures and is a slow-ish clock.
Dragonlord Dromoka is strong, but it's protection isn't universal.

I'll say it until my dying day: Lotus isn't the problem in this particular format (although it would be interesting to have a restricted list), it's the fact that 3CM is your typical Card Advantage game on Crack. Grave Titan is basically a 5 card 3CM deck...how can you compete with that? Ob Nixilis has an incredible amount of versatility, it can race alongside some of the most powerful decks, it can leap over the decks which stop creatures, and its a hard-to-remove type with built in protection: AKA: Superman.

Walkers are problematic for the same reason...by it's very nature a Walker is at least 2 cards in a 3CM game. The ban list would be easy to facilitate and easy to push Lotus out of unfair range...or at least easier than trying to keep Lotus banned by unbanning powerful enablers.

Edit: Oh, and for the Island argument, would you ban Island if this existed:
MegaIsland
Instant
If you control two Islands, you win the game.

No, because plenty of cards work with Island and aren't broken. Island being able to cast MegaIsland isn't the problem. MegaIsland is the problem.

Edit2: Should MegaIsland's name be VintageIsland?

door can do whatever they want with their bans, but that doesn't mean that doing certain things isn't dumb and childish.

also I can't control if door places. I can beat them and take the top spot, but they can still do plenty of dickish things from second place.

Right, with enough work you can craft a long con to manipulate the format as you desire, but it's preferable not to make everything degenerate into chaos while you try

smallpox
hypergenesis
Force of Will + Dryad Arbor + Slippery Boggle
more necrotic sliver
Fulminator Mage or dreadbore + rakdos carnarium + that red man-land that you use 2 mana for to get a 2/1 first strike
channex + path
mox + path + that griffin thingy
chalice of the void
mental misstep
gut shot + that 3 drop recycling frog thing
marrow shards
baneslayer angel
leonin squire + lodestone golem
leonin squire in general
meddling mage
That werewole deck that plays around channex
swamp, cackler, affliction

Have I given anyone any ideas yet?

Yes: Ob Nixilis

I want to reveal my pet deck for non-lotus rounds, but I probably shouldn't. I'm curious how the next round is gonna go. I think I know what I'm gonna play, but I can't decide how reactive the meta will be and I'm not as spun up on Walker hate as I should be.

i like children

I think it was more a comment about how you were going about it. If you unban cards that are super-broke with lotus to try and prevent Lotus from being unbanned then you create a chaotic and unhappy scenario. At best you force someone who likes (or wants a round with) Lotus to re-ban Glory and Maniac while unbanning Lotus, at worst someone just gets annoyed and unbans Lotus and we have rounds with turn 1 wins.

It's not like online forums don't have dedicated trolls

I have the illest tech. Trust me, you'll **** yourself.

not saying don't ban lotus. just saying don't unban cards you don't want to be legal just to make the rounds where lotus is legal less fun for everyone. unbanning things in order to hurt the meta into behaving like you want it to is just petty and mean. like, for instance, if you unbanned Chancellor, one of the least fun cards in the game, just to spite me for unbanning lotus.

the current format is crappy, but using that to condemn lotus is ignoring the fact that variety was drastically reduced by people having to play around Chancellor and run redundant mana sources. most of the decks wound up taking one of the same few approaches, because beating Chancellor without specifically building to beat Chancellor is really hard. so, while I'm fine with leaving lotus alone for a bit, using a format you purposefully sabotaged to prove that lotus isn't fun is disingenuous at best.

only because it's a high-profile unban that everyone winds up playing around. if we leave it legal for long enough it'll eventually win because people will start taking it for granted, but right now everyone's expecting it so they're attacking it specifically.

not even close. Force takes two dedicated cards. sure, you can get a little extra value with snapback, but that's basically it and most things that beats lose to Force anyway. that means any deck that plans to rely on Force needs to use one of the free kills which are woefully bad at closing matches when Force can't. meanwhile, Channex does all its work for one card. any number of two-card shells can use Channex to lock your opponent out, then kill in various resilient or fast ways. or you can use a storage land and have Channex be disruption and kill, leaving you with a third slot for another piece of disruption from a different angle. (or double down on the same angle with mana tithe or something.)

Force is a stronger effect, but it's nowhere near as powerful a card.

if you think the format is more fun with Channex legal, then fine. I disagree, but that's the nature of the game. my issue is with you unbanning it because I had the nerve to unban lotus. I don't think unbanning Channex itself is sabotage, I think doing it to make Lotus look bad is sabotage.

anyway, I'm gonna do the same test with Path-Chancellor, see what that does. first round is 64 points, putting it still in 3rd. I don't feel like doing the second one but I suspect it'll likely be a similar result.

see, here's the thing: you and I disagree one whether Channex makes things fun. if I get control, I might ban Channex. but that's it. I'm not gonna ban the white storage lands so that just in case someone unbans Channex it's not as good. I'm not gonna unban things that are good with it to make it more annoying to unban it. I'm just gonna ban it. if you get control and want it back, go ahead, that's the nature of the game. the same should apply with lotus: I don't care if you ban it. go ahead. that's totally fine. let it be banned, I'm not gonna complain. but going out of your way to make the entire environment toxic to it is just pointless, mean-spirited overkill.

here, I'll make it simple: as long as Maniac or Glory is legal, I will unban lotus every chance I get. and you can look at the records for the last couple seasons: I get chances pretty often. I'm currently doubting my commitment to an unbanned lotus, and would be happy to see what happens if it stays down for a while, but if you're going to be petty about it then I'm not above firing back. (NOTE: this is only true if door is the one who legalizes them, or someone else does it for the same reason. if you're legitimately curious what Glory would do in a Lotus-less world, I can get behind that experiment. but if you're doing it to be a jerk, I can be a jerk too.)

FoW and Foil were both already legal. you had plenty of ways to attack Lotus decks if you wanted to.

also, if unbanning Chancellor stops lotus from dominating, why are the top 3 scored decks all running lotus?

Because we all suck and should have played channex or force.

the one guy who ran channex in a lotus dominant spread still lost to people who played lotus though

It got me. It didn't get the other 3 top lotus planeswalker decks because they all deliberately made their decks channex-resilient (running lotus+land such that they could pay off channex or daze at cost of only delaying the pw one turn).