What do you replace him with that won't hurt the curve?

Can't answer it since i'm now running a sultai evolpea contraption. Give me a few games going back the 'pure' idea and I'll comment

LoL got triple mossed first game. Fun ! I can just imagine the chest thumping !

I've tried your original Sultai Walkers list, and I think your modifications are good. I did 2-2 (a loss against RDW and one against RG Monsters), apart from not winning, the deck performed really well mana-wise and curved well all 4 matches, the only problem is that it enters top-deck mode quite quickly for a control(ish) deck, so I was going to suggest Read the Bones.
I am not entirely sure about reclamation sage to be honest, my two wins were against EvoLeap decks, were he kept on leaping. The only enchantments that scares me would be Tutelage and Spy Network... Well, still might be worth it anyway.
I will have a go with the modded version soon.

So, tried any biggin you could think of to replace Erebos in the deck. Big K gets you killed via Languish. GR can't pump via Murk Lurker. Alham the Flying Monkey costs too much to do so little. No sac outlet for the life stealing Priest. No mountains for Nightfire. Colossus tends to attract a lot of removal. Bellower cost too much to be putting down a Gatecreeper. Rhox just dies to Languish.

Did I miss anything? Each one of these things has cost me a game at least twice before I did the switch.

Eberos is a 5/5 that is often Indestructible as you are killing/bouncing anything your opponent plays. He can be mana pumped via Murk Lurker. More importantly, he turns Summons into an even more powerful card. 2 for 5 and a discard. You take/pump something from their graveyard and he comes back to hand.

A few people have expressed concern the mana cost. It might come down to my play style, but I can honestly say I have had little trouble playing him. He isn't always a turn 4 answer, but is a threat the moment he enters the board. With Cruel Revival, Possessed Skaabs, Gravediggers, and Lilly being so big, discarding the aboundance of land you usually have in hand is a fair trade if somehow he gets removed. You can also play him for 4B by discarding him via Lilly and Summoning him up to a usualy Indestructible 7/7.

Just my thoughts on Erebos in my Sultai Superfirends build.

Erebos plays really well here. In my opinion, keep it.

As I explained to lockhammer, Erebos is fine, but he will be bad in the weak matchups. He will be irrelevant vs aggro because even on turn 4 (you need a great hand to get those 3 black), you will just die turn 5/6 bd them regardless if you put all your plan on him; one 5/5 isn't good enough. Vs evolpea control he will be chumpblocked all day.

You have to make a decision, wether you just wanna fold when people play evolpea early, or if you want to play to win those matches.
I think the deck doesn't have a favourable matchup vs it, but the KEY thing to make it work, if you can't hit their evolpea very fast, is evasion. The winnowers have semi evasion, but vs evolpea dorks it's often not gonna be enough.
A summoned big K will fly over all his dorks.
Yes you can't play languish with him on the table vs many decks, I recognize that limitation. But purely for the evolpea match, languish will sometimes be a dead card anyway. Vs other decks summons/Jorubai/winnower is strong enough once you have control.

So yeah, I think from what is availale big K is the best option here. Titan will win you matches you would've won anyway. Another option would be, wait for it ...... whirler rogues ! Haven't tested that yet though

My list for this deck; even though I think it's not the top of the meta :

1 x Bone Splinters (hmm may go 2 of these, T6, skaab back my best card, kill your best dude is pretty strong)
1 x Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
4 x Gatekreeper Vine
3 x Disperse
3 x Reave Soul
2 x Reclamation Sage
3 x Jorubai Murk Lurker
1 x Liliana, Heretical Healer
3 x Fleshbag Marauder
1 x Nissa, Vastwood Seer
4 x Read the Bones
2 x Languish
2 x Gilt-Leaf Winnower
2 x Possessed Skaab
2 x Cruel Revival
2 x Necromantic Summons
1 x Kothophet, Soul Hoarder

3 x Island
4 x Swamp
3 x Forest
2 x Woodland Cemetery
2 x Drowned Catacomb
2 x Hinterland Harbor
1 x Dimir Guildgate
2 x Golgari Guildgate
4 x Evolving wilds


Yes that's 23 land, yes that's enough. We have 4 drawspells at 3 and 4 fetches at 2. Basically we are running close to 27 land.

My main issue is Bitter revelation vs Read the Bones here. I recognize Read the Bones as an inferior card, but I like being able to do 2 things in one turn one turn earlier. I think for a control deck, being able to read the bones turn 5 and removing a dude/playing a blocker/holding up disperse is pretty valuable. Same goes turn 6 where you can play one of your many 3 drops AND read the bones in the same turn. Combine that with the amount of taplands in this pile and Read the Bones takes the cake I think.

Thoughts?

Lol first guy I play vs this evening plays naked evoleap, I play reclamation sage, he somehow locks up the game Hilarious. Stay classy people.

I KNEW I recognized sultai superfriends from somewhere

Ah but that's an evolpea deck; trading card quality up for consistency down compared to golgari. Get with the program, Lockhammer wants to build a deck WITHOUT evolpea in sultai.

Yeah, trying to get away from a Control deck needing Enchantments to function.

Wave is great for that extra "drawing out the game so my cards I need get there.."

I'm messing with some sort of Sultai reanimate, mill, on a Golgari control shell. It's silly but it is getting big boys like GR and the Blue seven drop out on t5 regularly, plus it's loaded with win cons. Gonna try it tonight. I would post, but it looks similar to some others, and I'm late to the party, so I'll wait until I've got some hard results. Lol.

No evolpea in it though. So there's that. Sultai on a Half Shell

Yeah, so that idea flopped. Totally annoyed, because I got beat down by mill every single time. In the dumpster with you. Lol...

> deck has one bad matchup (mentioned)
> terrible deck
.-. lol wut?

Grumpy about the losses.

Edit: also, fine... I'll give it another shot. :-)

Edit2: nope, still bad.

>complains about losses
>hasn't posted list to make it better
.-. k then

stop it, it's impossible to upset this one. You're trolling a brick wall.

there are better targets in these parts...

who me a troll

your 'lol wut??" post was great tho

You guys... so mean to me... WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Can't share it, I've already deleted it. But from memory:

1 Jace
1 Lilliana
1 Nissa
4 Reave Soul
3 Fleshbag
3 Sphinx Tutelage
4 Artificer's Epiphany
4 Elvish Visionary
2 Languish
4 Inspiration (originally 4 Read the Bones - tried both, never really settled)
3 Necromantic Summons
2 Gilt-Leaf Winnower (probably should just be some hard instant speed removal - actually not sure this is the card I used)
2 Alhammarret, High Arbiter
2 Gaea's Revenge

No idea what the land was - but total count was 24. Basically, all copies of the come into play tapped unless lands, all Evolving Wilds, slightly more forrests than other lands. Maybe 4 4 6 (with forrest being 6).

Deck was almost auto-lose to Mill - obviously.

Did well against other things, but never looked super powerful.

I could drop big creatures into the GY, pull them back out with summons or Lilliana (less likely).

Tried some other options - Mostly dealing with removing Alhamarret from the deck, which seems bad, even on turn 5, he never works out for me. Considered adding some enchantment hate. Etc...

Deck was too reliant on Tutelage (which really surprises me, but oh well).

edit: deck has better potential when expansion drops, because a bunch of those creatures will be much, much more dangerous if you drop them turn 5. As will the potential targets in your opponent's GY.

I'm running this atm

2Drops
1 x Runed Servitor
3 x Elvish Visionary
4 x Alchemist Vial
3 x Telling Time
2 x Displacement Wave

3Drops
2 x Fleshbag Marauder
2 x Reclamation Sage
3 x Sphinx's Tutelage
2 x Hydrolash
2 x Anchor to the Aether
2 x Read the Bones

4Drops
2 x Separatist Voidmage
2 x Grave Digger
2 x Languish

5Drops
2 x Possessed Skab
2 x Unholy Hunger

Lands
6 x Island
6 x Swamp
2 x Forest
2 x Woodland Cemetery
2 x Drowned Catacombs
2 x Hinterland Harbor
1 x Golgari Guildgate
1 x Simic Guildgate
2 x Evolving Winds

I'm lacking of servitors, would exchange a visionary for one more i think. Not realy sure about the lands, but actually there are not many games with needing a special color and can't play a card.

It's really fun to play it, the synergy and board control can be amazing.

Greetz,

Oliver

p.s. I'm from Berlin, maybe bad grammar