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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 8:03 pm 
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@Nik, it's in the OP. Anybody alive at the end of the game wins. There's no hidden agenda to my role. I've chosen not to lie about it because I see no benefit in doing so. If I were to lie and pretend to be in a faction, I'd be targeted by people whose faction I am not in as an oppossing faction. As it is now you can either believe me and seek out somebody who is actually in an opposing faction, or you can not and you'd still just be viewing me as a member of an opposing faction.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:32 am 
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Having PM's in a mafia game just seems strange to me...

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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It seems strange to me too, but that didn't stop me from doing it.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:34 pm 
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So...normally, at this time, someone starts asking for, or making, claims.
I'm not going to claim a faction, however, I will say that my ability does absolutely nothing for me.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:56 pm 
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I think a lot of people just go through the PM-route now and discuss with their factions what the best course of action is.
You know, comparing roles and stuff and seeing how they can abuse them.

I'm pretty sure that's a big thing in the start of this game judging by the PMs I got.

And to everyone not in my faction to send me PMs:
Don't call me, I'll call you.
I rarely talk in out-of-thread things anyway. Even if I'm allowed to do so.

Finally:
I'm glad we finally have a game without a very strong claim of some sort.
Sure, we got Numbers' thing, but it's exactly like he said earlier.
Either we trust him to not have a faction (in which case he doesn't matter to anyones wincon), or we do not trust him and it's a pretty basic small claim that gets taken with a grain of salt like a lot of smaller claims in mafia.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:04 pm 
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I think I would probably argue to lynch numbers if we could today. As much as he doesn't appear to threaten my chances at victory, he has identified himself as clearly not a member of my faction. I wonder how much this no lynch D1 was calculated just for numbers to have space to out himself?

It may still be an alright option tomorrow, depending on how things go overnight and any new and critical information that reaches our ears.

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Lynching numbers does not advance anyone's gameplan to win, though (providing he's telling the truth).

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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It bears no risk to hinder our gameplan and it potentially does advance our own state because he could be lying. It's hard to believe he is just a passive spectator who merely has to last it out. I have the feeling something will change by tomorrow so that pushing a lynch against him will be overshadowed, but I don't see it as a bad move. It potentially might pay off and at worst it doesn't risk anything.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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Just because he has no faction, it doesn't mean he's just a passive spectator. I'm assuming he can vote just like the rest of us, and that means he can help develop his and everyone else's gameplan.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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No, that just really makes him a survivor. Which I would label as a passive spectator. He will just be an extra bandwagon vote ready to go whenever he needs to. Sure, he could be of use, but he could also end up destroying your faction's chances of winning.

So, if our information is as limited tomorrow as it appears today, I don't have any qualms about pushing a safe lynch on someone who could have any role, but doesn't really impact my chances of winning. There are certainly alternatives, but I don't see this as a bad move.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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Everybody is a survivor Nik, because you have to be alive at the end of the game to win, regardless of if your faction is one of the ones left standing or not.

On the matter of voting though, I see no point in it for me, so I will not be participating.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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Having PM's in a mafia game just seems strange to me...

I've gotten two so far, and have no idea how to respond to them. Heck, one is apparently some neutral account that someone or a group of someones has taken over.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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I also got a PM from this "Pseudonym" account, so yeah, someone's been given a MUP to send anonymous PM's with.

Then again, this might already be public information. Based on the PM I got, I wouldn't be surprised if Pseudonym just PM'd everybody.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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I also got a PM from this "Pseudonym" account, so yeah, someone's been given a MUP to send anonymous PM's with.

Alternately, it is a system put in place by Cato to mess with us.

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
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The cardinal rule of this game is that I will give you incomplete information, but I will not lie to you (e.g. by making an alt account and pretending to be a player.)

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 Post subject: Re: Epistemology mafia
PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:35 am 
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Also got a message from Pseudonym, who looks to be an actual player. Useful trick, that, in a game that is clearly heavily weighted towards gathering intelligence. Assuming anyone is foolish enough to respond to such bait, anyway.

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The difference is that a factionless survivor can play this whole isolated island trick. The rest of us have to kill each other in order to win. I suppose we don't have to, but it definitely isn't a very good strategy to sit and do nothing.

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