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Shockwave07
PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:44 am 
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You know if Wizards gets it through their minds they can use the Relentless Rats clause on Barry's Land...

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why would they do that?

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So that you can make a reasonable colorless commander deck.

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So that you can make a reasonable colorless commander deck.

So, you want a deck with Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Karn, Silver Golem, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, or Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre as your commander? What about using:

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So that you can make a reasonable colorless commander deck.

Barry's Land is a proposed new basic land type. you'd need no such clause to allow players to run as many of it as they wanted in any deck.

also commander sucks

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To clear things up, there's a misuse of terminology here. The original goal of "Barry's land" was to let domain effects go to six. For that reason, the primary definition of "Barry's land" is "a colorless basic land that introduces a sixth basic land type."

Anything that doesn't introduce a sixth basic land type isn't really Barry's land, since it has no connection to "Barry's mechanic" (domain), and MaRo has explained multiple times why Barry's land will never happen.

I've always felt like people who just want a colorless basic (or pseudo-basic) land without all the subtype nonsense should refer to it as "Karn's land".

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My assumption that a "barry's land" with relentless rats clause, would in fact, not be basic (and as CommanderJim points out, not a real barry's land) but rather just a colorless land that you can have as many as you want. And yes, you can make a colorless commander deck now if you have enough of the lands listed.

Also, commander does suck.

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This image was featured in today's Uncharted Realms.
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It references part of the story where Nissa gets her connection to Zendikar severed by a passing swarm of Eldrazi that are digesting the mana from the land.

I know it's not, but wouldn't it be funny if this is art for the reveal that they are putting Wasteland in Modern?

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The Announcing Oath of the Gatewatch article lists the official draft format as Oath of the Gatewatch/Oath of the Gatewatch/Battle for Zendikar, so that's interesting.

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Small Small Large? Ballsy. But they have really nailed draft formats the last year or so, so I'm in. Although frankly it just smells of a way to sell Oath packs.

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...Oath of the Gatewatch?

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...Oath of the Gatewatch?

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Yes.

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...Oath of the Gatewatch?

:duel:

Because the biggest flaw in Ugin's original plan was not having a secret club name for the three of them.

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CommanderJim wrote:
The Announcing Oath of the Gatewatch article lists the official draft format as Oath of the Gatewatch/Oath of the Gatewatch/Battle for Zendikar, so that's interesting.

Weird set size (to go with the weird name I guess). That's 19 more than usual for a small set, and 1 less than FRF, which had ten additional commons and ten basic lands. Shouldn't be the Expeditions of Gatewatch - that's twenty cards, and they aren't supposed to count for set size. I'm not going to speculate further, though - my Origins speculations went spectacularly wrong, after all.

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So, the BFZ packaging arcana today mentions Kiora and Ob, heavily hinting that they are the remaining 2 PW in the Set. Will OGW also have 3 (Jace, Chandra and Nissa), or one of the pact won't get a card?

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Small small large is the default draft structure for a whole block draft from now on


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I can't imagine them jamming 3 'walkers in a small set. It's usually 1.

I think they are -- for story purposes -- considering at least some of the "block" walkers as there. I mean, they aren't printing another Ugin, right?
So I doubt they will make another Jace/Chandra/Nissa. It's weird enough that they went back-to-back on Gideons. There were 3 in Theros though.

So, Gideon/Kiora/Ob makes sense for BTK. OGW I would expect to have another 1... Sorin perhaps?

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OGW will have at least 2. They changed to have only 2 Sets per Block, but their norm remains 5 'walkers per block. Also, back-to-back Gideons is no strange at all, since he's a central character in the story arc they're telling. They WILL print a new Nissa in OGW, and it makes no sense to tell a story where Chandra shows up in the last second to save the day and not give her a card. If anyone if left cardless, it's going to be Jace, but it's going to be strange if all but one member of the oath gets a card.

BTW, the original Zendikar block had 6 'walkers.

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I'd expect that Wizards will do a 4/2 split if there are six planeswalker cards, as it looks right now. It's more in line with the mythic ratio than 3/3. And back to back planeswalkers are hardly that rare, are they? So Gideon, Kiora, Ob, and one of Jace or Nissa in Battle, then the other plus Chandra in Gatewatch.

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Knight Otu wrote:
I'd expect that Wizards will do a 4/2 split if there are six planeswalker cards, as it looks right now. It's more in line with the mythic ratio than 3/3. And back to back planeswalkers are hardly that rare, are they? So Gideon, Kiora, Ob, and one of Jace or Nissa in Battle, then the other plus Chandra in Gatewatch.


Sounds reasonable.

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