I love a lot of anime, but that kind of stuff that have to seperate western animation from eastern animation just...yeah...

This goes both ways btw. Those western people that say it's weeaboo to watch anime are just as bad.

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I'm afraid I don't follow you. Are you saying you'd prefer to separate Western animation from Japanimation, or that you find the people who do make the distinction a bit much?

Forewarning: I've given up making the distinction between such animations for my personal lists and viewing, but generally respect when others want to keep "anime discussion" to Japanimation.


I have to say that I watched a video recently where this guy outlined the "7 kinds of anime fans", and I was none of them, and I wasn't certain that all of them existed. I still have never met a "weeaboo" and I am skeptical that such a thing exists, because I've only ever seen parodies of it.

The 2nd.

Another pet peeve of mine is generalizations. So anyone who says they don't like anime because of 'random show' gets a

I wouldn't make any difference if they were both equal, not in style, but in genre. Unfortunately they are not. You don't find mature western animation that it is not comedy, at least I don't know any.

Not that is exactly a problem, after all I am a fan of Simpsons and Futurama.

The place where the animation is made is really not important.

There are many animes with stories as good as the best series made in USA. And the series are at the very top at this moment being better than many movies and with better scripts.

I stopped making the distinction... probably around the time Teen Titans was airing. If not, it was when I first watched Avatar. I started giving every show several more episodes to catch my interest when I realized that I had already watched nearly 2 seasons of MLP.

But I can understand why people make the distinction and will respect it. Personally I think I should be allowed to talk about shows like, let's say Gravity Falls alongside shows like, let's say Trigun. The line is already blurred when you consider shows like PSG that have a clear Western influence and Space Dandy which aired in both English and Japanese at the same time, without looking at things like where the show was animated. Avatar was famously animated in Korea even though it is considered a Western animation, and quite frankly the show stands head and shoulders above a lot of Japanimations that I have watched.


Watch Avatar: the Last Airbender. "Mature" does not need to mean "sex and violence".

Now, if you're going to talk about genre, you're going to need to talk about the animation age ghetto here in the West that I believe was spearheaded by Disney.

I watched it. Probably the best example of western animation, still it suffers a little, like all western animations, from the usual restrains.

Too bad it is the only example that I know of.

The only place I feel Avatar falls short is in the first season. The overall episodic nature of the first season was pretty much brought on by the way Nickelodeon handled the show, though -- they had to basically fight to keep it on air from my understanding.


I invite you to watch Steven Universe, then. Or Gravity Falls. Or a number of shows from the Disney of the 90s, like Gargoyles. I was actually brought to tears by an episode of Steven Universe.

I remember Gargoyles. I watched the crap out of that back in the day.

On another topic:
Monster Musume seems to have been handled pretty well so far.
Censoring is done by looking at the situation from a different camera angle (naked in the fountain --> shot from the bottom of the fountain instead of from MCs perspective) or zooming in a bit more.
It also doesn't do the lewdest scenes (Snake girl shedding her skin chapter was skipped for example)

I'm kinda pleasantly surprised by the way they seemed to handle this so far.
The introduction of the Slime girl may be a bit 'worse' than the others because apparently she is not human-like enough for Japanese laws or something? Because they seem to be going a bit further with her compared to the other characters. Unless that's just my weird mind.

I specifically used Gargoyles because KeeperofManyNames is currently watching it and keeps mentioning how very well it tackles problems that were quite well ahead of its time, and I intend to real-watch it fairly soon. The Disney shows of the 90s were a major part of my childhood, though I can't actually recall many details. I remember some overall episode plots and a few isolated scenes, but I've been thinking of rewatching a lot of them. Duck Tales, Gargoyles, Darkwing Duck, Talespin, Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers, etc..

I watched one episode. I didn't like it at all. So no reason to watch another.

I HATED the first episode I saw of Steven Universe, but after I saw everyone raving about it I gave it another shot, I loved it.

1. I named three shows. Which one are you talking about.
2. I... really cannot think of a civilized response to the notion of ignoring a show based on one episode.


I've never said this as one statement, but people can put it together based on what I've said around: watching MLP has made me give shows a much larger benefit of the doubt. For instance, if it were not for MLP, I never would have watched Blue Exorcist. I probably never would have gotten in to Breaking Bad, either, or started watching any of One Piece again.

I've never seen MLP, but how from MLP did you go Blue Exorcist? Didn't like one episode but kept watching hoping it would get better?

Oh, there are some that are bad enough.
Didn't take half an episode for me to abandon Mahou Sensou.

Didn't The Oblongs get cancelled midway their pilot?

Yes in regards to both MLP and Blue Exorcist.

Friendship is Magic (for those who don't know that's the subtitle of the My Little Pony that everyone's always so crazy about) had in retrospect a horrible opening. I remember being ready to drop it after watching the opening two-parter but deciding I'd get further in to see what got all my friends (most notably half the guys in the M:EM) so into the show. In retrospect the first few episodes of the show were nothing more than your average children's show with a slightly-above-average depth of character. However, about half-way through season 1 things picked up in a drastic way and I was half-way through season 2 when I realized that, I was actually looking forward to watching more of this show. It helped that I was already starting to dip my toes into the sea of fan works with Friendship is Optimal and one of the numerous Dr. Whooves radio plays.

Going in I had the typical mindset of "this is a stupid show for little girls, I won't like it" (I decided to watch it for the same reason I decided to watch Attack on Titan: for the splash it made), but I ended up liking the show and am still deep in the works of the fandom (somewhere in the vicinity of 40 musicians I'm subscribed to, I'm still reading fanfictions, watching fan animations and analysis, etc.). So, ever since then, I've given shows a much longer grace period to impress me with something.

Blue Exorcist is the foremost example I can think of because when I was watching the introductory episodes of Blue Exorcist, I was actively thinking "you were ready to drop MLP in the same way and look how that turned out; give it some time before you drop it". I hated the first three episodes of Blue Exorcist, but after we got out of the intro episodes I ended up really liking how the main characters' personalities bounced off one another, and especially seeing the different facets of the titular character's personality.

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@ storyteller: I now feel that I should drop everything to go watch an episode of Mahou Sensou.

I've always been curious about MLP, I saw a documentary of the fandom on Netflix but didn't watch the show. One of my closest friends loves it though and told me I reminded him of Rarity, I think it was, that was weird for me because I didn't understand what he meant by that.

I don't remember where I said this (I think it may have been down in the M:EM), but recently I've become disillusioned with the show as a whole -- I don't think I would actually recommend it as its own entity. There's a phrase sometimes passed around the pony fandom: "come for the ponies, stay for the bronies", because the show has a lot of glaring problems and, being a 22-minute children's show, easily falls flat; that's kind of where I'm at right now. Essentially I'm still watching so that I can keep up with the canon so that I'm not lost when consuming fan media.

Actually that's almost where I'm at with Magic: the Gathering, too. Except in the case of the M:EM, we have our own canon we've built up in the same universe, rather than borrowing characters (for the most part) from Wizards.

As I said, the show has better-than-average characterization for the main characters (referred to as the Mane 6 because the fandom is fond of puns [the show started it {see: Fillydelphia and Canterlot}]). At the same time, the year-long gap between seasons 4 and 5 have allowed me to watch much better animated shows like Steven Universe and The Amazing World of Gumball and Adventure Time and realize that, if I weren't so entrenched in fan media, I would have stopped watching by now.

Point being: I'm saying you don't need to go out and watch it.

Mmm ok, might watch the first few seasons. With regards of Adventire Time, I used to love, but suddenly I grew tired of it. I love Gumball and watch the reruns on Cartoon Network, and I love Clarence too.While I don't follow Steven Universe like Gumball, I've grown to appreciate it and I'm becoming a fan.

I have not properly gotten into Adventure Time, though my understanding is that there's a lot of good in there once you get past the barrier that is the weirdness of the setting. I've even (through an MLP reviewer) been shown the backstory of Ice King/Marcelene (I probably misspelled her name) and really appreciated how nuanced it was presented. I even saw the episode where Finn found his dad and lost an arm (and also really liked it).

I've also just been watching Gumball on CN and just really enjoy both the comedy and art style(s). It frequently sets up and then subverts expectations, which I think is brilliant comedy. It's not deep like Steven Universe or Adventure Time, but it's very fun.

Steven Universe I'd been kind of ignoring until an episode brought me to tears. Before that point it had my curiosity but not my attention. I do remember, however, seeing an episode or two when it first premiered and thinking it was too kiddish -- which I've now kind of come to expect from introductory episodes anymore.