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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:55 pm 
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On MTGO it will ask you to choose a target for the ability when it triggers. Then when it resolves it will ask you "do you want to use this ability?" (because it's a may ability) you click no and voila, don't lose the knife.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:58 pm 
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Zenbitz wrote:
Can you take something with Willbreaker using Throwing Knife (on an attacking creature) WITHOUT sacrificing the knife? This is an argument on MTGS.

Yes. Triggered abilities don't have any notion of an upfront cost, and targets are always chosen as soon as you put something on the stack. The creature attacks, the ability triggers, you choose a target, then Willbreaker triggers. You don't choose whether or not to sacrifice the knife until the ability is resolving, at which point you already control the creature and are free to say no.

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Before reach was reach, it was "can block as though it had flying." This would let you block such creatures.


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what are the current TR missed-mandatory-triggers rules

they changed like 100 times while I played in tournaemnts and it was awful
Your opponent is not responsible for reminding you about your triggers--they can if they want to and/or they're nice, but they don't have to. (They can't let anything else pass, just missed triggers.) You cannot intentionally miss your own triggers--that's cheating.

If a player misses a trigger and you want it to happen, or you suspect it was missed intentionally, you can call a judge. Depending on the type of trigger, the action it calls for may or may not happen; the player who missed the trigger will only receive a penalty if it's considered generally detrimental or if the judge believes they're missing it intentionally. (The two have radically different penalties.)

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 Post subject: Re: Rules Q&A
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Can you give an example of when an opponent misses a trigger, I call a judge over, but the trigger still doesn't get resolved?

How about when that situation occurs and also the trigger is not considered generally detrimental?

Would there ever be a situation where you had to prove the opponent was intentionally missing a trigger?


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Can you give an example of when an opponent misses a trigger, I call a judge over, but the trigger still doesn't get resolved?
You notice that your opponent's Yeva's Forcemage should have triggered last turn--the duration of the effect would have already expired, so it doesn't happen. Or most triggers after more than a full turn cycle has passed since they were supposed to trigger--if it's been too long, causing the triggers to happen tends to just damage the game even more than it already is.

It's actually much easier to list when your opponent's missed trigger will happen:
  • There's a default action linked to a choice the controller was supposed to make. (X happens unless you do Y...) The default will happen--your choice of now or at the beginning of the next phase.
  • It's a delayed trigger that changes the zone of an object. (Exiling Geist of Saint Traft's token.) Again, your choice of whether it happens now or at the beginning of the next phase.
  • It's been less than a full turn cycle, the duration hasn't expired, and you, the player's opponent, want their trigger to happen. It's put on the stack. (Some caveats apply about what it can do--if it tells them to sacrifice a creature, for example, they can't sacrifice a creature that wasn't around when the trigger should have resolved.)

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How about when that situation occurs and also the trigger is not considered generally detrimental?
All of what I just said above applies no matter whether the trigger's detrimental or not. The only thing that the trigger being generally detrimental or not affects is whether or not the Judge issues a Warning.

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Would there ever be a situation where you had to prove the opponent was intentionally missing a trigger?
No. If you suspect that your opponent's doing that, you can tell the judge of your suspicion if you like, but that's as far as it goes.

If the judge believes your opponent is missing their triggers intentionally and that they know that it's against the rules to do so, that belief is enough to issue a DQ. Judges don't need proof.

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They weren't actually bizarre--they were just a more complicated attempt to reach the same result. The problem was that many, many people didn't properly understand them, leading to strange results.

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 Post subject: Re: Rules Q&A
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Making sure I understand this correctly:

I control a Banishing Light that exiled my own Zendikar's Roil. When I cast The Great Aurora, will I get the landfall triggers from any lands I put onto the battlefield with Aurora?

I believe I would. All the rulings on Banishing Light suggest that the permanent returns instantaneously once Light leave, almost as though it's just morphing from one creature into another. Given that, it seems like Roil will be back on the battlefield before getting to Aurora's land action.

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 Post subject: Re: Rules Q&A
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Yes. First, the shuffling all happens simultaneously, then Zendikar's Roil is returned to the battlefield under its owner's control, then the card draws happen, then the land part happens, causing Zendikar's Roil's ability to trigger a bunch of times, then The Great Aurora is exiled and finishes resolving. Finally, the triggered abilities from Zendikar's Roil are put on the stack.

Basically, the Roil returning isn't a state-based action, so it doesn't care that a spell is in the middle of resolving. It's a one-shot effect that just occurs immediately after Banishing Light leaves the battlefield.

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610.3. Some one-shot effects cause an object to change zones “until” a specified event occurs. A second one-shot effect is created immediately after the specified event. This second one-shot effect returns the object to its previous zone.

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 Post subject: Re: Rules Q&A
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How do basic lands work in draft? I know you're given them, but once you choose your ratio are you stuck with it, or can you change it?


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Anytime you could sideboard you can change basic lands as you please. You effectively have access to any amount of basic land, of any types you'd like, in your sideboard at all times.

In an event with decklist registration, you're required to return your deck to its original registered configuration before game 1 of each match. You'd be free to fiddle with your ratio before games 2 and 3 of each match but game 1 you're always playing exactly what you registered.

In an event without decklist registration, you're free to sideboard and tweak as you please, with no requirement to return to initial composition at the start of a match.


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 Post subject: Re: Rules Q&A
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My opponent has Revelation in play. I cast Stronghold Gambit. How are the choices made? Will one player know the other player's choice before having to make their own? Can the choice be made in secret, such as on a slip of paper?

Any rules quotes to clear this up would be appreciated.

And before anyone says that it doesn't matter, each player would always choose the lowest, let's suppose my hand consists of Nekrataal and Oxidda Scrapmelter while my opponent's hand consists of Juggernaut and Hero of Bladehold.

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 Post subject: Re: Rules Q&A
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Here are the relevant rules on this.

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101.4. If multiple players would make choices and/or take actions at the same time, the active player (the player whose turn it is) makes any choices required, then the next player in turn order (usually the player seated to the active player’s left) makes any choices required, followed by the remaining nonactive players in turn order. Then the actions happen simultaneously. This rule is often referred to as the “Active Player, Nonactive Player (APNAP) order” rule.
Example: A card reads “Each player sacrifices a creature.” First, the active player chooses a creature he or she controls. Then each of the nonactive players, in turn order, chooses a creature he or she controls. Then all creatures chosen this way are sacrificed simultaneously.

101.4a If an effect has each player choose a card in a hidden zone, such as his or her hand or library, those cards may remain face down as they’re chosen. However, each player must clearly indicate which face-down card he or she is choosing.

101.4b A player knows the choices made by the previous players when he or she makes his or her choice, except as specified in 101.4a.


You have to indicate which card you're choosing. Since that card is already revealed, the properties of the card you chose will be publicly known. Making the choice in secret by writing it down would violate rule 101.4a.

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 Post subject: Re: Rules Q&A
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But is the zone hidden while it is revealed?

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 Post subject: Re: Rules Q&A
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Yep.

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400.2. Public zones are zones in which all players can see the cards’ faces, except for those cards that some rule or effect specifically allow to be face down. Graveyard, battlefield, stack, exile, ante, and command are public zones. Hidden zones are zones in which not all players can be expected to see the cards’ faces. Library and hand are hidden zones, even if all the cards in one such zone happen to be revealed.

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Thank you for the references.

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That kinda ties into a question I have. If your hand is always revealed, perhaps as through the card mentioned above, does it mean you could cast cards such as Belfry Trap for free at anytime?

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That kinda ties into a question I have. If your hand is always revealed, perhaps as through the card mentioned above, does it mean you could cast cards such as Belfry Trap for free at anytime?

NGA Constructed rules questions probably belong somewhere else although I don't really know where, but in short yes. also that wording on Belfry trap is terrifying from a rules perspective. if you despise me, then I brainstorm and draw Belfry Trap off it, can I cast the Trap for free? the game doesn't know, because it doesn't know if all the cards in my hand are the same as the ones that were there when you Despised. they could be, if I put back the other two things I drew, but whether or not I did isn't public information and I can't be forced to reveal it. should really just say "if you revealed your hand this turn".

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But then it doesn't work with Duress and friends, which I assume is the intent. "Revealed your hand" also has ambiguity: is it referring to your hand, the zone, or the cards in your hand?

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razorborne wrote:
NGA Constructed rules questions probably belong somewhere else although I don't really know where

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Fair enough, although this was a general rules question which happened to be triggered from an NGA card it did spawn a bit of an off-topic conversation. Thanks for the answer.

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