I was going to say that I agree with PK on pretty much everything. And the way KoD reacted to his points, especially after zinger said to stop the discussion leading to his /out kinda annoys me too.
Last game we were busy trying to figure out game mechanics and not play mafia. This game we're busy trying to figure out game mechanics (and roles) and not play mafia.
Seriously?
We have too few people playing as is. Can we start hosting normal mafia games already?

Now that that is off my chest:

I am in favor of claiming prior card abilities at this point. If everyone complies, we will have a 'normal' mafia game with an open setup since all possible roles will be in the open.

@zinger:

I checked your rules and they didn't say anything about deleting a post. While I don't intend to do it again, I did so this time since my previous post (assuming you can read it) will only be distracting. My apologies in advance.

I can read it with my other account and can attest that it doesn't really do anything for the game.
I'll send you a reply through PM.

My previous post is pretty much because of time zones. When you get players from around the world, stuff can happen while it's 3AM or something and you can only respond to the stuff that happened way after the fact. That's why I kept it to those sentences and ended with 'getting it off my chest'.

I fully intend to continue playing the game as normal, but this is not the first time where stuff that was on the package was not what the game ends up to be. And I think hosts should keep these things in mind.
("Pretty normal mafia" with roulating scum, uncatchable self in-design, and situations where scum making the winning play would not win. And now 'you pick the card', except that you don't because surprise, random stuff that zinger could've prevented himself by not making scrambleverse do this but make it randomize targets instead)

Also, between all that is said and done, don't forget that we also lost 15377 while he didn't have anything to do with the randomization. He can't even make a final post and I wouldn't have been able to bring him back.

Yes, I had a resurrection role.

Just for the record:
The reply is pretty much as mod of this area. Not as a player. There is nothing useable about this game in there.

Wow...don't log in for 12 hours and all hell breaks loose.

I'll say, I was looking forward to the role/card I had picked, but, it's all part of the game, I'm surely not going to complain about what others picked and such.

I did like the one that I picked better than what I have now

I'm 100% willing to claim what card I had, and the ability that was assigned to it.

Also - on the deleted post...while it does have nothing to do around the game play, I still feel that it needs to be un-deleted. Those that can read it can all say that it has no impact to anything, but most of the players in the game still cannot read it.

In my opinion, it should be un-deleted - everything posted in the thread for this game should be readable by everyone. The only exception that I could see would be if there was a CoC violation, however, that's not the case here.

It was a pointless continuation of the argument between KoD and PK, which can be condensed to 'KoD really wanted the final word, but realised it was petty and out of line, and removed it (yes, I saw it before it was deleted).

It has zero bearing on the game, and doesnt need to be made visible.

For the record, I have updated the rules to include no deletion of posts, but I am in favour of leaving KoD's post deleted.

Continue playing the game.

Doesn't your investigation method work by finding out everyone's role, or at least until someone speaks up and admits they are the guy with all the cards? So by trying to root out his alignment, you could possibly supercede him. Although if you are actually scum, then at least the person you are investigating could out you if our current card is Grizzly Bears or whatever, but that only works if your card is unambiguously not an investigative role.

I don't know, but I'm currently not very fond of the "narrow down the name guy" approach.

I don't think we should figure out who has each role now, but I do think we should say what roles we had.

When the game started, we didn't know there was an 'we have info on everyone'-role. However, ever since the Scrambleverse we do. This brings up the issue that we do not know who that role has now, nor do we know which alignment that role has now.
There is however 1 but. We do not have information on 15377's old role (except for the Telepathy-players). So we'll have to trust them on that when we get to that point.

So there are a few situations possible now.
a) Say nothing.
While there is a risk that scum has that info now, we also know that Rubik had that role. Info that anyone says about someone else should be able to be confirmed/denied by Rubik.
Unless Rubik is also scum, this seems pretty ok for the town.

b) reveal everything.
We have to trust Rubik/new guy to give 15377's old role, but if everyone paraphrases what role they had the game is changed to an open set-up with everything in the open.
There will be no fake claims and we'll have to trust zinger that stuff is balanced, so we can play a normal open game.

I'm leaning towards b myself (that's why I dropped my previous role, though of course there are some things not mentioned about it).

If the person who got my card isn't willing to admit it—even knowing that we're willing to name every player in the game to identify them—they're probably scum. I think revealing the identity of every player's card to me (which was my previous role already) would be worth it it means getting a free lynch on a scum.

I'll tell you right now. My current card (Number's former card) is Skyshroud Elf.

There is absolutely no telling what it does from an outside perspective. It can, at the very least, investigate an alignment once and I'm more than willing to do so now if anyone is worried about a role falling into bad hands.

@Zinger: When PK is replaced, will his current card name be revealed so that it doesn't too heavily effect strategy?

If it was powerful and does roughly what the original card does, I'd absolutely want you to claim it.

Yeah - I'd say that it was powerful, and clearly something that we hope is not in the hands of the mafia.

Are we going to do the claim, name the person to claim next thing?

I second this motion

Er rather third or fourth it, whatever number it is...

Then again, didn't I first it?

I'm not going to do this.
I'll point to the previously finished game for most of the stuff regarding D1 mass claims. I don't feel like repeating myself with the 10 minutes I have left before leaving <_<

I don't want a mass claim, I want us to determine a role that is powerful enough to warrant using my d1 investigation on.

We already have two players who know every card in the game. If the other one is mafia and they already actively know what every card is, then we've got nothing to lose by mass claiming (because mafia would already know who is who, and would be aware of any changes in cards).

If whoever has my card comes forward, we can avoid mass claiming and I'll be able to confirm them as town. Eventually (given the number of players in the game) I will probably die and that information will gain face value. They don't even need to reveal the name of my card either, I just want whoever has it to reveal that they have it.

If they're being obstinate, they're scum (or at least anti-town).

eh, screw it. I'm probably gonna get lynched now unless your ability is a day activation, but I got your old role. I made the proposal to claim before I checked my new PM, and then realized how nuts the claim would be with my new role but couldn't say anything without making myself look super scummy. if sorting this out helps us move on to playing the real game, though, please investigate me Rubik so we can confirm that I'm actually not scum.

It is, in fact, a day activation.

JaC - just to be clear, my willingness to claim was just what my original role was, not what card/role I have now. I'm not going to do that unless it's clearly going to benefit town more than scum, and, for now, I can't determine that.