Those were 2 separate points in 2 separate posts. I have no idea why you mashed them together, but when you actually read them separate they make sense.
Negative. What I'm responding to is you saying "This will not be able to be used as information on the roles and everyone does need to be reminded of that before it's used in the wrong way. After all, 2-3 people will probably be lying." It's two separate sentences, but that's as far as the separation goes. You state the information will not be able to be used. Then you connect the notion of people lying by use of "after all". So again, perhaps you'd like to rephrase for clarity.
1) I said you oppose the mass claim because of convention/tradition. You've since gone on to explain that you oppose a mass claim because of that very reason.
2) You said 25-33% of potential liars is a deal breaker for you on a mass claim. I pointed out that with each town death with no mafia lynches, that number only increases and then asked you to justify how greater numbers aren't a deal breaker for you.
My point is not that you have a problem with mass claims at any point, my point is that your arguments do not strictly apply to early game mass claims, often times (such as in the case of liar percentages) becoming an even greater issue later on.
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I'll take these 2 together, because the tracker/watcher was exactly what I had in mind.
An average mafiate in a small game will not think of the tracker/watcher. Especially the less experienced players will just keep a 'normal' cop in mind. Therefor, there is a chance they slip up when they do not account a tracker.
However, because you did not claim cop, but you claimed cop variant, you already came out and said 'hey, remember that tracker is a thing!', so you removed the chance for the slip-up.
Timing matters.
So you're making an argument that the mafia will lack any sort of experience and bank on the notion that this game can't include what has been the predominant cop role used in this meta? Tell me again how you're not banking on flawed logic to crutch up your point. But let's go down your road. Let's say we make it to LyLo and there hasn't been a mass claim yet. One ensues. Bob claims vanilla. Joe claims tracker having tracked Bob. Bob claims Joe is lying scum trying to swing a mislynch for victory. Aren't you glad you waited until Joe doesn't have time to verify his role before having him claim? No? Me either.
I think you mistake my intentions. I do not intend to catch somebody in a slip up. I intend to apply pressure on the claims and force scum to give us honest information least they be susceptible to being outed for
choosing to lie. To that end, please everybody be aware that I could be an alignment cop (under which umbrella I could be Sane, Insane, Paranoid, Naive, Random, a day cop, a macho cop, an Amnesiac), role cop, vanilla cop, tracker, watcher, fountain watch, coroner, flavor cop, gunsmith, or even the dreaded lie detector. That should cover just about everything.
I hope the hydra is at odds all game for the lolz.
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