Your belief is misguided Tiny.

@Nick:

While I have no issue with a no lynch happening, why is it you believe Tiny shouldn't be lynched over Lilan? I know how you feel about Lilian. You're not going to tell me you simply believe Tiny and will not lynch him to make sure of it, are you?

Because if that is the case, then that's extremely misguided. Don't misunderstand, you can think whatever you want. To me though, I see not one solid reason why Tiny shouldn't be lynched today. If he's lying about his vanilla claim and we revisit this discussion with less people later, it will be very bad.

It is strictly better to remove him now and make sure he is not the wolf. That's my honest advice.

That being said, I got a treat for later.

Why do I need to trust Tiny to believe Lilan is scum? As has been pointed out many times, there is only one wolf. If I believe that Lilan is the wolf, voting for someone else would be rather strange.

I mean, you could argue me wanting to no lynch is odd because if I think I've found the wolf, why should I do anything but push against that person.

Should I in particular be looking forward to this treat?

Just goes to show I think differently.

Like I said about the blind faith, you're welcome to it. I'd rather not take that risk if not necessary.

Riddle me this: Lilan dies and comes up town. Will you be surprised? Just a yes or no will suffice. I don't want someone to use this convoy with you as a "connection" anymore than has been done recently. We can cover details when we cross that road. Speaking of which, when is deadline?

Yes.

Should be a little over 4 hours away, I believe.

The reason to not no-lynch on a 4-player day is because the scum can vote at the last minute and win the game. if the scum does that here, we can still lynch them tomorrow.

Too late now though I reckon.

Vote: KoD

I don't want to lynch tiny so i'm voting for KoD if anyone wants to have some unexpected fun they can wagon with me

Why are you trying to see KoD lynched at that last minute with next to no warning?

Probably because I wasn't vague enough.

Vote: Lilan

Surprise treat Nik. I'm on board the Lilan train.

Refer back to my comment about how she kinda reminded me of you. I've pretty much not been pursuing any line of suspicion you originally presented because feelings alone that you had did nothing to honestly sway me. But then she, inch by inch, got in line with suspicion others had on me. And it reeks of opportunism to me given she's been detached from most of my topics (and has more than once fallen in line with my opinions on relatively small things).

What makes it easy for me to switch from thinking Nik is the wolf is that, compared to Tiny, you're much less of a risk. Tiny is the only odd ball, but Lilan's opportunism wins out for my lynch vote for today.

Well, this is a treat.

i'll claim and say i'm the hunter and add a few relevant tidbits

if the hunter misfires the next lynch will be redirected to them, effectively killing the hunter and giving the wolf a double night.
the hunter can fire going into night after LyLo

i was planning on not shooting until we mislynched in LyLo, I don't know what would happen if it were only me and the wolf left

Reason i want to lynch KoD is because i think that if he were the wolf he would NK someone off the confirmed list and then try to lynch niklor today.

if you'd like my defense all i can say is that i've been trying to play as transparently as possible this game. I've done whatever i've felt like and expressed my thoughts honestly. There wasn't any anti-town motivation behind any of my actions.

I don't know exactly what you're trying to get at by calling me opportunistic KoD, but if i were wolf I would have killed you last night because you're one of the active voices in the game and becasue trying to get you lynched is probably like a mouse trying to move a boulder.

and for the purpose of self-preservation

ties also result in deadline extensions

Unvote

Well this lowers the number of ppl to look at. What's left?

Tiny, myself, Fred I think.

Neo is good. Lilan has just claimed the hunter. And hi Nik.

Well then. Consider me on Tiny. Only person we haven't looked at is Fred.

i'd also be willing to lynch fred on the basis of lynch all lurkers

also this post



could indicate the existence of a scum bias (he thinks his play is scummy because he knows he is scum)

I'm trying to decide if I honestly think you would risk claiming a power role as wolf with 2 unknown townie's dead. Barring the possibility the wolf can someone tell what the dead's role is, I'm probably leaning toward slightly possible, but this is an all or nothing move, really.

If you are lying and the hunter is living, even taking into account the fact whoever is the hunter may not check the game until after deadline has passed, you are pretty much instantly dead tonight if the hunter is alive. It's a large gamble to take assuming the wolf knows as little about the dead as we do. However, rolling over and lying dead this close to deadline would probably get you killed anyway.

I'm gonna stick to my guns for now. See how it lands.

I am not comfortably with lynching someone who has essentially said they are inactive and want to be replaced. Policy lynching people seeking replacement is terrible.

Riddle me this Lilian: If I were going to kill someone off the confirmed list, why isn't Nik dead and Zinger alive? The major flaw with your thinking is that you don't know what I would do, unless you vase it off of what I've been saying. But then that begs the question of Nik/Zinger.

I can only tell you to trust me when I say I'm not the wolf. At the very least look for something better than what you currently think because I'd hate to enter LyLo with you and end up with you killing me based on what you currently think.

All that being said here is what I honestly think:

Fred myself Tiny are issues. Nik comes in below us for me, and Lilan below him (in the case that this wolf has massive balls).

If I pursue anyone, it'd be Tiny first and foremost to make sure he's not the threat. After him, Fred since I got nothing on him (my D1 opinion of him is void at this point). Finally Nik for previous reasons, but I can't in good faith pursue him because of Tiny and Fred.

So unless ppl want a no lynch for further discussion (deadline extension same thing?) then I'll be voting Tiny.

also i am going to go to bed soon so if we want to deadline extension we should organize that now

we have little information on freddeh because he hasn't been very active, we won't have very much information on his replacement for the same reason. I think that's reason enough to policy lynch. It isn't a full policy lynch though, i was suspicious of that post he made.

If I was the wolf I would probably claim doctor here with the hopes that i could turn the lynch before the doctor was able to counterclaim and then hope that the doctor was dead by tomorrow if they weren't already. Hunter works just as well but i think it has less persuasion power than doctor does.

Sorry, "kill someone off the confirmed list" had ambiguous syntax. I should have said "kill someone not on the confirmed list".

If there is an aspect of the wolf that allows him to see a dead role, it would have to be a part of his abilities as listed in the open role. Meaning he can't have a totally separate ability that gives him this info. Rather if he targets someone with an ability he is given their role identity. That kind of set up.

Otherwise the roles are not open in the open sense. Take Neo's role as proof of that. And Lilan's claim for that matter.

I am fine with extending the deadline, especially given the new info. everyone quickly pile on tiny, pile off again?

Unvote; Vote: Tiny

I'm all for an extension. Too much that must be talked about.

Vote: Tiny

Same thing I said minus any basis other than WIFOM.