his words say lynch me but his eyes say save me

I get to stretch out finally on a nice ride.

BTW I totally got to watch a game of Bus Mafia. It ended with five ejected (white knight too). Fun times.

Semi catch up for me.

First and foremost: You mean after all the talking I did you came to the conclusion I am that kind of person Lilan? You remind me of Nik except you didn't swing as hard as him.

And, again, my being all over the place is backed up by a LOT of talking. Not just a simple sentence like, "X is y."

@Tiny: By closest link you mean my one comment on how I believed Rubik to be town because of how my interaction with him in the game led me to think? Or do you mean link in the sense that I said one thing about him and he ends up as the one sired? Nik commented on that a while ago with WIFOM logic you know. I said he's town so he's my auto go to target? And what of Nick's approach -- sire someone against you.

More later. Ppl. Lots of ppl.

Claiming today and finding out we don't have a healer would be bad. Neosilk would most likely be the NK, leaving us guessing going into tomorrow. Claiming tomorrow means we have no time to digest the information.

I suggest pushing back Lylo ourselves and not relying on the healer outguessing the wolf. If we no lynch today then we go into tomorrow with a greater margin of error. Neosilk can come up with an order to claim BEFORE he gives any of his result. Everyone claims in Neosilk's order, then Neosilk reveals his result. If we have a healer Neosilk is safe until Lylo. If we don't we will at least have the claim information going into Lylo.

Yes, I was referring to the post that were you addressed Freddeh and reviewed Neosilk and Rubik's posts. Your conclusion may call Rubik town in that post but you also explain why his behavior is scummy, slinging mud, and he is misrepresenting you. Its the kind of post you could link back to and say look I thought he was scummy during day 1, or used to show that you thought he was town like you are asserting now.

I was also referring to your very next post where you place a FoS on rubik.

I was also referring to the many other posts were you question his behavior. I don't think you sired Rubik because you thought he was town in one post, but because you put enough distance between the two of you that if one of you flipped scum the other wouldn't be an immediate target.

You're wrong. Not about the post content. About the premise that I asserted it. While I have mentioned it several times, the whole me calling Rubik town was brought up strictly by Nik when he viewed me as being suspicious -- the casual dismissal thing followed by Rubik revealing he was sired events. The content of the post you linked is wholly accurate for the time frame for how I felt, but it has been others referring back to it for their own ends first. Not me. Had I ran around flaunting that I said Rubik was town and expected to be rewarded of it, then you'd have a legitimate point.

Here's what I think of your opinion on the sire-ing. It's a story worth drinking wine to. Hardly concrete in any fashion and forces one to simply believe to go with it due to lacking anything factual. When Nick mentioned it, I could at least follow his story. It was a good one for blaming someone for the actions of another.

And I disagree Nik. If tomorrow is going to be LyLo we're better off claiming fully in a order where one person claims then picks someone else to claim. Reason: we enter lylo and try to claim and what if we really don't have a healer? Wolf can try risking a claim then with only few ppl or even try counter claiming or something. The more information we collectively have to guide us helps us in the end.

Or we play it out the other way. Neo should make it to Lylo if the wolf doesn't risk a nk on him due to potential healer. There's a variety of ways the situation can play out. Actually I'm OK with the not claiming bit now. Having Neo make it to Lylo is a bonus for us.

i'm against having the doc claim today and the massclaim method KoD specified is probably the best one there is

Did I say that it was hard evidence? Everything I have to go off of is going to be based on the information in this thread and how I view it. What I believe the posts author's motivation was when he/she posted. Nothing can be concrete about that. It's the nature of the game. Right now because your early day 3 post and the change in tone after Neosilk's reveal supported by posts/actions in day 1 and day 2 I believe you to be the wolf. Other's don't seem to agree.




Since you're commenting on KoD's last post you must be caught up.



Still waiting on that something significant. I believe the day ends in 12 or so hours

I don't know about no time to digest. If everyone claimed quickly enough, it should give us adequate time to look at the info. You are right that discovering are doc is already dead today would come as a blow, so it is best if we don't make it any easier for the potentially alive healer to be picked out.



Considering it, despite how much I want to see Lilan hang, I would be willing to perform a no lynch today. I think putting our doc in the position where continuing to heal Neo is the best course of action and not having to rely on a gamble to save us is a good one. Plus, we end up with the same amount of lynches, just we dwindle a bit more to get there. So, yes, I am fine with a no lynch, though we probably should extend the deadline to force it to happen. Negatives mean we will still be largely in the dark on Neo's role going into a third result, though at least we will have more data to work with and since we are gaining a day and probably an extra result that is probably a better move.

On that note, we need to quickly get in agreement or find somebody to vote to extend the deadline. For now, I'm gonna...

Unvote; Vote: No Lynch

@Numbers: Can we vote for no lynching and if it's the majority vote have it be the result of the day's lynch or can a no lynch only be held in an event where no votes are cast on a player?



That's actually a slightly better plan of claim order. I mean, I was advocating an order to be selected by Neo since he is out of the claim link being already claimed, but having the list unfold throughout the day might be better. I would say that it would be best if Neo picks the first person to claim though, assuming he is still alive, though realistically anyone who has already claimed (Tiny) would also be a good candidate to pick the first person to claim.

yeah no lynching makes sense

Unvote, Vote: No Lynch

i still haven't read every post and probably won't make said contribution before the end of the day unless we get an extension

Vote Count:

Tiny: Neo

With six alive, four is majority. Deadline in roughly 10 hours.

If all players abstain from voting (whether by vocally voting in such a manner or simply not voting) then no lynch will occur. However at the end of the day the player with the most votes will still be lynched, no matter how many others want to abstain.

i'm still willing to no lynch

Well, we should probably need to extend the deadline, then. To see if we can convince others to no lynch.

We got several hours left before, though, and maybe Neo shows up and agrees to just unvote. As well as KoD and potentially inactive/lurker scum Freddeh letting it happen/agreeing to it happening. Only danger is someone could force a sudden lynch right before deadline since we can only no lynch through complete agreement and a lack of votes.

Of course, anyone who tried that would probably be lynched tomorrow or vigged during the night, so as long as one townie didn't try something stupid, it's pretty much going to be a good plan if we all agree to no lynch because the wolf wouldn't be able to do anything about it at that point without looking highly incriminating.

Of course, all it takes is one player to refuse to no lynch and this plan is completely busted.

Lilan and Niklor since you are on vote me. Before I leave work I will vote myself giving us a 24 hour extension.

I don't want to extend the deadline early. We still have almost 8 hours before the regular day ends. Now, if you'd like to vote yourself in order to set up that extension, that's fine, but, barring sudden crisis of lack of internet or something worse, I will be on later today. So I don't want to force a deadline extension early when we have time still. Neo might just come on and unvote and let us end without extending anyway in those 8 hours.

I'll vote you before i go to bed if Neo hasn't unvoted yet

I still have a couple of hours at work. I'll see where we are at, at that point.

I'm still not convinced. If we lynch Tiny and are wrong, that leaves us with 5. The kill at night, takes us to 4. Then, if we no-lynch tomorrow, we'll do the final day with 3 left. I like those odds better.
If you all want to extend, that's fine, but I have no plans on changing my vote. Unless someone can explain why it would be better to no-lynch today, rather than tomorrow.

I see.

Strictly speaking, the reason a no lynch today would be preferable is because it potentially leaves us with an extra person to claim tomorrow, though if you are lynching someone who has already claimed, I suppose that benefit is irrelevant.

Though I still think Lilan is the more scummy of the two. So, if we aren't no lynching...

Unvote; Vote: Lilan

I'm still down with the idea of no lynching, but if we can't have that, I don't see a good reason to lynch Tiny over Lilan.

And yes, I'm aware of the date it potentially provides. Yes, I am trying to shut down rediscussions from happening. If you insist, I can say the same thing twice, but rereading the thread is probably better than forcing us to repeat ourselves.

The real question I suppose is will Tiny vote against someone else in an effort to save himself, given he freely advocated earlier in the day lynching him is a good plan for the data it provides.

Only if I see a vote for KoD, who I believe is the wolf. Otherwise I will let the vote speak.