I'm just sad that the new Smash Bros hasn't announced Ice Climbers yet. They're my favorite....

~SE++

They won't be in the 3ds version because they didn't look right in 3d and I know lots of people don't like them in competition. But they could certainly have dlc. All the characters are known if you are curious.

Played the demo today on 3ds.

God, the button layout drives me insane. So used to a Gamecube controller, I died so many times mashing X instead of B.

They looked alright to me.

~SE++

No, THREE DEE like, with the 3d stuff. At least that's what I saw somewhere sometime.

Edit: "In a column for the Japanese gaming magazine Famitsu, Sakurai claimed that technical limitations of the Nintendo 3DS prevented their inclusion; the two were reportedly difficult to implement on the console, and as the duo lacked the potential for a new game in their debut series, Sakurai intentionally gave the Ice Climbers a low priority on returning. While they could function on the Wii U, Sakurai decided to cut the characters in order to keep the playable roster between the games identical. [1] Crowd chants for the Ice Climbers, however, can still be found in the game. [2]"

No one can ever tell when I'm joking....

~SE++

I knew you were joking. But that's ny thing, to ignore people when they are joking, and joke when people are serious.

~SE++

I will money match anyone on this forum in super smash brothers melee hmu

Smash 4 is pretty danged fun, by the way. Like it more than Melee at this point.

Agreed.

Don't really think Melee is a better game than sm4sh. People like Melee because of no-frame delays on a bunch of attacks and similar things, but I don't really think all the stuff people love from Melee really makes it a better game, or are things that should be in the game.

People like melee because final smash's weren't a thing, there are less clones of a lot of characters, and basically people like melee because it is not brawl.

People like melee because it's simple and clean and sort of balanced but not really since everyone plays the same characters. Final smashes can be banned. And fun fact, final smashes were planned to be in smash 1, and 8 player smash was planned in melee.

jesus christ if you don't know anything stfu

Characters played by at least 1 prominent smash pro

Fox, Falco, Marth, Sheik, Jigglypuff, Peach, Captain Falcon, Pikachu, Samus, Luigi, Mario, Young Link, Link, Yoshi, Bowser

There's probably a doctor mario main out there I'm forgetting, but the most prominent main switched to sheik a while ago. Anyways, the list I just posted is more than half of the cast of the game, even when including sheik and zelda as completely separate characters.

Here is why people love melee:

1. It's fast. This is a smash 4 set from apex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2HEeP4HUVM
This is a melee set from apex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv74JXJBFwk

go ahead and tell me there is no difference, or that endless campfests are somehow more interesting than melee's fast and nuanced gameplay

2. Movement options

In melee you can dash dance, wavedash, ledgedash and hax dash
The first two add amazing neutral game options to out space and trick/punish your opponent, neither of which are in smash 4. The last two add sick cool options for getting off the ledge. In smash 4 they are removed, meaning your only options are normal get up, get up attack or roll. yawn

watch this video, you can do exactly none of it in smash 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twqSNmMYjRc

3. Combos
Low hitstun, high knockback and infinite air dodging kills at least 95% of all combos in smash 4 resulting in hella boring campfests in which nothing happens. Maybe you're just salty that someone zero to deathed you in melee, but maybe you should just get better

4. The dumbass shield mechanics in smash 4 promote hella camping
Shield rolling is unpunishable in 99% of all situations and the shield recovers super hella fast, which rewards super campy and boring play. Melee's shield has a longer time to put down, spot dodges and shield rolls are way more punishable, which is why you don't see ANY melee matches with someone just shield rolling around like an idiot

The two things smash 4 tried to do that were good:

1. girl marth
2. custom moves

however, both failed and in the case of lucina it was a miserable failure

smash 4 is boring because there are extremely few ways a better player can show his or her skill over a lesser player because it's such an easy game to play that rewards extremely boring and defensive play

oh yeah and smash DI got hella nerfed so it's impossible to DI out of any multi hit moves which is really stupid because it's just another element of skill removed

Another interesting tidbit: the top 8 of apex 2015 (the largest melee tournament ever) contained both a Pikachu player and Yoshi player. The winner of the tournament was a Marth player. So much for "everyone plays fox" right?

i played a lot of melee when i was younger and i played brawl a few times when i went to a friends house they are pretty much the same as far as i can tell

Don't take my posts too seriously or you will lose your cool.

i take everything at face value and it hasn't affected the value of my face yet