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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:29 pm 
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Meh, I turned in a crappy deck that I thought looked fun. I know I'm probably coming in last place, but here's hoping I can win at least one game.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:40 pm 
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lol at discard hate...Mangara's Blessing

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:32 pm 
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Dr_Demento wrote:
You are still imagining a bad Timewalk deck.

Dangit Dr_D...you've said it enough that now I want to figure it out. Seemed like the originally posted deck was pretty solid.

Edit: Ok...I can only think of a few...but my favorite one abuses the "can't win before an opponent has had a full turn" angle more than being a better wincon.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:02 am 
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Soooo...treat this next round as Epic Confrontation Redux? :P All the top decks are still viable.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:34 am 
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hardly. Rush's deck, for example, can't even win the game.
The Reset meta honestly looks pretty warped to me.

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Ah yes, Worldspine is a death trigger, not a "leaves the battlefield" trigger. We can rebuild it, we can make it stronger.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:34 pm 
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Yay! My Tundra Wolves / Tundra / Tundra Wolves deck will actually eke out a win!


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
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Drat, foiled again!


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:44 pm 
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So...is there some way to abuse Upkeep triggers to leave something in your gy for a turn? I don't think there is, and I don't know if it's relevant, but I'm curious. Just looking at cards with Echo is slightly confusing.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 3:55 pm 
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Echo definitely not.
Either you don't pay and it goes from GY to hand after the reset trigger or you do the reset trigger first and it goes to your hand.

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I just found a deck I totally love...I'll preview my favorite card from it: Khalni Garden

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
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Huh, but Vultures wouldnt really hit the rules exploit that I'm not even sure exists. Anything you'd be able to do with Vultures I think you'd be able to do in a normal round too.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
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Something tells me I should just run black lotus + geth's verdict + volcanic fallout and call it a day.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:40 pm 
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Obviously tokens are public enemy #1 since they get to keep existing. So, Grave Titan and Kuldotha Rebirth and all the other fun setups are alive, well, and kicking. Of the Vanilla decks, Artifact Blast can still work, though it gains no real benefit from the format. Leyline is toast. BridgeTongs can't get there. Chargelands are sunk.

Warped Devotion is cute.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
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I dislike how tokens can stick around. It feels against the spirit of the format to me.

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Isn't that illegal?

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
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That discard rule is something I can't wrap my head around...seems pretty inconsistent.

Artifact Blast seems more powerful in this round, but I'm not really sure why...probably because there are really limited ways to not use artifacts. Then again, it suffers from the same old "not too many people can use it" argument.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
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Warped Devotion is in a bit of a weird spot in terms of the discard rule, but I'd say it's banned.

I've always been of the opinion that cards like Oona's Prowler and Mind Bomb do not violate the rule, since they're an optional cost that you're never forced to pay. Warped Devotion seems similarly avoidable in some ways (just don't play multiple cards, stupid), but at the same time, it's very much not optional once you're in the wrong situation. For that, it falls just on the side of banned.

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I'm still just pouting over Jace...I was really proud of that deck. Either way...the "just don't play multiple cards" argument can be used with Jace too. Granted, Jace can return multiple permanents to make them discard more than one...but the only decks that would be ever be able to discard more than one card from it either couldnt replay those cards UNTIL Jace ults, or had to choose not to replay them (I'm probably ignoring storage lands...)

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