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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 12:52 am 
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Wasteland should probably be alt-banned if SM and GQ are

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:09 am 
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It gives incentive to play with basics, so my Daze-Chronomaton-Island deck isn't strictly worse than Daze-Cenn's Tactician-Tundra

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:22 am 
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Only if you hate The Rack.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:14 am 
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So here's my question after seeing all the bans: Is inquisition of Kozilek even relevant now that Encroach is banned? With Encroach banned, dual storage land becomes a much more potent deck. When Encroach was a possibility, it seemed like the two created decent tension: Do I play basics and become vulnerable to IoK, or non-basics and be vulnerable to Encroach?

Now it just seems like you pick Despise or countermagic (assuming you want the "control" deck) and don't look back...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:33 am 
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I've got two competitive new decks that are both really fun...but they're both vulnerable to different meta compositions...which to play?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:10 am 
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i played the first deck that came to my mind that i was excited about

I think thats pretty good advice this round..my idea of what the strongest decks are all 6-0 two of the decks and 0-6 the other two.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:08 pm 
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POSValkir wrote:
So here's my question after seeing all the bans: Is inquisition of Kozilek even relevant now that Encroach is banned? With Encroach banned, dual storage land becomes a much more potent deck. When Encroach was a possibility, it seemed like the two created decent tension: Do I play basics and become vulnerable to IoK, or non-basics and be vulnerable to Encroach?

Now it just seems like you pick Despise or countermagic (assuming you want the "control" deck) and don't look back...

That depends. Do you still consider Lion's Eye Diamond/Gibbering Descent/Quicksand a deck? Because I do. That deck is WAY better if people are going for storage lands. Inquisition at least earns a split.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:50 pm 
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My tier one list was
Leyline
Ulamog
Gibbering
Dual Mayor

Tier two breaks out the Bridge Variants and Control decks (including Scepter)

Edit: So IoK actually seems pretty solid after thinking a bit, not sure if its better than Despise though...depends on how many people play storage dual threat (or ignore counters and dual storage threat). Also forgot to add Lands.dec in there as tier 1.5

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:16 pm 
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Mentor almost always wins with Ulamog because it blows up Bridge.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:14 pm 
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Storage Lands know how to satisfy your needs...heck, you can even blow up your OWN bridge if you were so inclined...but that would be weird and inefficient.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:24 am 
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Has anyone ever used Pulse of the Dross? Cause Lotus Memnite Pulse of the Dross seems just as good as blackmail or whatever except not banned.

Obviously not in this round but it seems reasonable in some vanilla formats

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:31 am 
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That's pretty much equivalent to Coercion, which I think I've seen once or twice in the past.

Blackmail has two bonuses: it can be played in non-Lotus rounds, and it can be played with The Rack, which is a much better threat than Memnite if your deck supports it.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:35 am 
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Oh yeah...actual coercion as well as obscure cards like Pulse of the Dross.

True, the rack is good. That makes sense.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:55 am 
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I think the better version of dross.dec is Black Lotus / Abandon Hope / Nether Spirit. Abandon Hope is legal because the deck is incapable of casting it for more than X=1. The threat the deck lands is a recurring 2/2 rather than a one-time 1/1. And in an absolute pinch (read: an opposing Leyline of Sanctity, making casting Abandon Hope impossible), you could actually hardcast the Spirit.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:46 pm 
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I'm Repulsed by this discussion :V

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:49 pm 
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You need a better Pulse Tracker.


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That goes against every Impulse I have...

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Well, that's what happens when you Act on Impulse.


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That may indeed have been the Death Pulse this terrible pun war needed...

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I tempted, in my drunken annoyed at limited losses state, to play
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