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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:23 am 
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Ok, I can't find scumreads this game but it turns out I only need 4 correct townreads, so I might try to POE out the scum.

I have PoPa as town, he doesn't give a ****. 3 more townreads.

Ambar seems town to me now. He's reacted well to his wagon etc. The roles could be anything, but I like his posting. I don't even remember why I was wagoning him in the first place. I think it was dumb. But yeah, he looks town to me.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:23 am 
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Ambar, plz Unvote. The scum can quickhammer me right now, and that is bad. We all need more time


Math is hard.


Still unvote me tho

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:26 am 
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Like, Garren I don't remember anything about, so no idea.

Actually I need a reread, give me one day.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:58 am 
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See, this is part of what bothers me.

You're going to give the thread a re-read and see if you can find stuff from me that seems scummy.

Anyone notice the issue with that?

If you're actually giving the thread a re-read you shouldn't be focusing on just one player's scuminess. You should be looking at each player's scuminess.

Building cases is fine and all, and I'm sure you can find scuminess on me, but at this point, with the primary active players gone, who can't you find dirt on? It's not the dirt that's the issue, but rather the reactions to the dirt.

Let's look at Lilan for a bit. Bandwagons a bunch, has shoddy reasoning, starts a wagon on me. Of those, none imply scuminess, but are most likely just weird reads. I'll admit, I haven't been the most helpful to town this game, but I've done more than some, less than some, and I don't think it's quite a "fair" thing to tunnel in on me. All that time you are spending on a re-read and you're focusing on 1 specific player. I think emphasizing stuff on me is fine, but looking for stuff on me primarily isn't exactly going to get very far.


As for defending bad players, that's actually irrelevant. The skill level of a player is not a factor on alignment, and if you'd have actually noticed what I had been posting you'd have probably come to a different conclusion. I defended bad players under certain circumstances, not just "bad players". I attempted to refute certain styles of attack that are unfairly leveraged against newer players. It seems a bit fishy for Rag to go after me and you to jump on so quick, but it seems even more so when your case is just trash.


Moreover, I don't actually think that using my viewpoints on lynching active players against me is particularly strong or relevant. First of all, it's not an indication I'm scum, as it's happened in many games I haven't been a part of. I get that as mafia you'd like to create cases, and I get that as town you'd like for it to be that simple, but it really isn't. There are players aware of my viewpoints, and who are smart enough as mafia to use my vocality of a topic against me. This by no means clears me, but analyzing the state of the game should indicate that lynching the active players is a null tell on my part.
I think it goes without saying that a re-read would encompass more than "just" looking at you. I was just indicating that I intend to emphasize paying careful attention to what you've said because so little of it actually left an impression on me. Players who fail to leave an impression on you are often the most likely to be scum and I want to have a better idea of how "safe" you've been playing it this game.

I think the fact that you were lurking throughout the beginning of the game and the fact that active players have been getting lynched does point towards a reasonable chance of you being mafia. In the face of what few other things I have to go off of, this seemed like the most tangible case to me. It's not a null tell and it's not a 100% perfect read. It's something that makes me think you have a statistically higher chance of being scum than anyone else in the game based on my limited information.

This most recent post reads like town to me, but that's part of what makes me so suspicious. All you do is lurk until someone throws suspicion your way, then make a post that sounds townish and then go back to not seriously scum-hunting. That doesn't fly with me.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:45 pm 
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Kinda risky for Pp to point out the mafia's strategy if he is mafia though, I am more inclined to believe that the mafia is banking on this statement to come around and bite Pp.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:14 pm 
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Lilan (1): Garren
PP (1): Lilan
Confused (1): Freddeh

Not Voting: Rubik, MoD, Confused, PP

with 8 alive it's 5 to lynch

deadline is Friday, May 1st, 10:14pm, pacific time

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:45 pm 
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Confused wrote:
Kinda risky for Pp to point out the mafia's strategy if he is mafia though, I am more inclined to believe that the mafia is banking on this statement to come around and bite Pp.
This is about as WIFOM as it gets.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:25 pm 
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At this point, I'm really having a tough time putting anyone as town.
My "most likely to be town" list is currently Garren and Rubik.

From a meta standpoint, I think it's unlikely that all of the mafia is from the pool who has not yet voted.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:46 pm 
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Rubik wrote:
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Kinda risky for Pp to point out the mafia's strategy if he is mafia though, I am more inclined to believe that the mafia is banking on this statement to come around and bite Pp.
This is about as WIFOM as it gets.

That's kind of the point.

We can't actually derive any sort of conclusion based off of the mafia's strategy so far.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:03 pm 
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Why do I get the feeling that town is me, ambar, mod, garren, and lilan, and this is why literally nothing is getting done?


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 5:06 pm 
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MoD (1): Ambar
Lilan (1): Garren
PP (1): Lilan
Confused (1): Freddeh

Not Voting: Rubik, MoD, Confused, PP

with 8 alive it's 5 to lynch

deadline is Friday, May 1st, 10:14pm, pacific time

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:25 pm 
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rubik would be my second vote so i am not too keen on switching to the other three wagons. I have a town read on MoD because he reminds me of me when i started losing interest in mafia and I think he feels guilty about not contributing much to the town, so I guess I'll switch to confused if the game doesn't go anywhere tomorrow.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 9:32 pm 
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Freddeh wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that town is me, ambar, mod, garren, and lilan, and this is why literally nothing is getting done?


We're in a problematic situation. No one wants to push the vote because this could be our last night. The problem is were probably also not going to get a great deal more information so the only alternative is sit here and hope someone tips there hand - which no one is going to do.

At this rate someones going to be offed from a four way tie. I don't think I've ever seen that happen before.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:06 am 
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I fully plan on moving my vote, assuming MoD is not the best wagon, to one of the other players I think is most likely to be scum, on Friday, towards the deadline.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:15 pm 
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PP (1): Lilan
Confused (1): Freddeh

Not Voting: Rubik, MoD, Confused, PP

with 8 alive it's 5 to lynch

deadline is Friday, May 1st, 10:14pm, pacific time

MoD has requested replacement due to real life concerns, I am seeking one now. if anyone's been following this thread without playing and would like to replace please PM me.

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felbatista replaces MoD. in order to give them time to catch up and contribute, I am moving the deadline back to Tuesday.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:41 pm 
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Oh good we have an extra few days, welcome felbatista!

Everyone please post your likely scumteam, asap.

From my point of view, the most likely scum are:
1) Confused
2) Rubik OR PP
3) Lilan OR Garren

Confused because he's literally done just enough to get by all game, and even when he has said stuff they've been either scummy feeling or just helpful enough to get by, without actually participating in anything totally scum-hunt-y.

MoD feels like just basically lurky/bad town
Ambar I'm basing as town off of the first days lynch (though I still really wish we lynched him/attempted to lynch him Day 2, freaking stupid that we didn't)

Rubik or PP because they're at odds with each other a bit too much to be on the same scum team, and while I've had a fairly towny sense from PP, Rubik makes either interesting points, or is pushing PP lynch too hard. I'm not entirely sure which. Once Rubik started playing though, he has felt more towny.

Garren or Lilan because of similar reasons, Garren seems to be going for an 'easy' lynch of a scummy-playing Lilan, but Lilan typically plays like this as town...however his day 2 lurkiness is also more of a scum playstyle for him.

Overall I'm leaning towards a Confused, PP, Garren scumteam. PP controlling the lynch to kill actives makes sense, having 2 neighbors, both of which having a scum member in it is kinda weird (Confused was neighbor with HW right?), but definitely possible. Garren is probably the one I'm most unsure about, he hasn't done anything super scummy in either the QT or here, he just hasn't done much overall and has been fairly forgettable on the board.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:50 pm 
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Ok, here we go.

First, I'll try something new this game.

Second, Ambar, please unvote me. I am, in fact, Town (I know, it was shocking for me too).

Third, I think there are 2 Mafia players in the following group: Confused, Lilan, Garren and Rubik, with Confused being my top suspect right now. I'm holding my vote, though, because now a second vote on Confused is risky, due to Mafie being able to hammer him.

There's another player that I'm suspecting to be the third Mafia player, but I'll hold that with me for now.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:52 pm 
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MoD sacrificed himself to push back the deadline

;-;7

I don't like using innactivity as a general scumtell. Lurking/Active lurking was a good tell in Px2 I think, but looking over a few other games on this board, its just not unusual to see several players of either alignment to barely contribute at all.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:02 pm 
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Freddeh wrote:
Oh good we have an extra few days, welcome felbatista!

Everyone please post your likely scumteam, asap.


Thanks.

I hope what I just posted is enough for you, because I'm afraid I'm not planning to give much more info about my likely scumteam, at least not now.

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