And Demento!

I've prioritized some of those boring-but-pushed rares because I know that if I let em slide, Zen and DrD might take em. The more-crucial commons and uncommons in my planned deck weren't in any danger of being taken by anyone else.

If my deck plan wasn't obvious before round 9, it will be clear after round 9. (Hint: there's something Thrun and Traft have in common other than being boring pushed rare Legends).

Yeah, but my rares are expensive. Everyone knows what a ramp deck looks like. I'm just playing ramp less ramp.

I see your point, I've never even considered that. probably because the only decks i really play in modern are aggro/burn and budget combo brews. Billy Bad ass swans of brigham young deck. i've never put skull of batters into a deck or wanted to.

Let me ask. do you think there is any strategy in hate drafting from someone's archtype early or is that being a total dick move? Or fair game?

I could see a world where your drafting a Jund/Abzan value deck, the Plethora of great creatures and spells are widely available, where if someone hates a Siege rhino it's ok you'll just take a Finks, resto, Knight of relinquary, and if someone hates an A.Decay you can still take Pulse, orterminate. so passing up the siege rhino to hate someone's key card is considered???

example:
so you see player 8 go oh i don't know pick 1 living end pick 2 violent outburst
so on your next pick you take demonic dread

Except the Living End player can take othe Cascade spells, and they probably should be anyway. There is merit to it, but only in specific cases is it really worth it.

Very similar to a regular draft, in that regard.

Honestly, if I were ever to do a rotisserie, I'd be going for a crazy Cascade deck. Maelstrom Nexus, please.

I was gonna draft living end but it seems like you'd just lose if you drew your one copy.

Hate drafting makes some amount of sense. There is always the chance you never play this player though. However you hate gets to be a lot more focused. I also looked at Living End as an archtype, but I put together the magical Christmasland deck and it still didn't feel like it ran too well.

I think hating people out is (and faking out haters) it totally valid in an open faced draft.

In a for-fun-not-prizes draft it would feel unsporting to me. If you're playing this competitive for prizes do what you need to win, but spiting a random other player (leaving the other 6 relatively boosted by having you use your pick to spite them) when there's nothing on the line seems counter to a community activity. I expect once people know what the archetypes others are going for they'll prioritize the cards they planned to get for their deck later but will now scoop earlier, but that's just normal contention, not hate. Hate would be someone taking Kiki from Shazzeh or Bogle from me right now. We probably shouldn't try to leave our key cards to picks 41 and 42, but if hatepicking was thought fair and likely in this for-fun draft I believe a few of us would have avoided archetypes that could be wrecked by hate, and I don't think that's what we were going for here (everyone play boring goodstuff because if you show a combo-based strategy people will take your key cards before you can get them!)

Jesus H People, I just used living end as an example, not needing to know what the living end player can still draft. you guys missed the context of my question, just change my example to pyro ascension then , or Swans , or goryo's vengeange. I just wanted the opinions of how you felt about hate drafting in general to take key cards away from someone's combo. and does it label you as a bad guy? would you do it early/late, at all? do you fear being titled a jack-ass? should no-one label you a jackass at all and instead commend you for the smart pick to make another mans deck less powerful in turn can make yours more powerful of a deck by not even drafting a card you'll play. just wanted some opinions forget i said living end.

Thank you mark

I think it makes for a interesting meta-metagame. Who will fire the first bullet of pure hate? Some of use are already competing for cards.
Usually in a big multiplayer setting like this - direct competition or hate will end up hurting both parties more than the "spectators".

Part of the risk of a combo strategy is that someone might take your piece. Part of the value of staying open is that you can't be hated easily.

Does MOD know he is up?

I think he's Australian, and Zenbitz's last pick took a while, so I'd give him some time.

The point still applies - you can hate a combo, but unless it only requires one or two cards, chances are they will find another way to combo.

In my defense, I answered your question first, and then I discussed the relative merits of Luving End.

I also don't feel that Hate drafting is at all inappropriate, even in a casual format like this. Besides, thatmarkguy, if I was hate drafting against you, I wouldn't take a Hexproof dude, I would take an Aura.

I've stayed away from the auras so far because I haven't decided whether I'm going the enchant route or the equip route. I didn't expect all the other swords to go so fast.

I think drafting hate cards is much better than hate drafting someone, both for you and for the guy drafting the "combo" deck.



Me neither. I was very surprised by that.

I just grabbed swords because of the competion for swords.

I thought I'd get swords (at least bad ones) quite late.

Swords are super, super good in limited, it makes sense for decks to want them, and once the first one goes everyone else has to rush to make sure they get the good ones, or get one at all.