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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:33 am 
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Oh, I haven't read Karakas again since I realized Stage no longer blows up Karakas when you copy it. I assumed it bounced any Legendary permanent. Oh well, I thought my fun deck still beat it, it no longer does...

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Looks like its waiting for the right round now...

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:52 pm 
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dont forget to play mental misstep this round to beat the rack

Dammit. Now I have to find a new zombie-combo deck!

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:36 pm 
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:( Eh. I think I'm done. This is already as boring as lotus lotus fatty.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:47 am 
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I don't see it as much different than the lotus rounds honestly, there is a slight upturn in the viability of silly decks, but not much...and still not much reason to play them unless you're just having fun.

That said...I think I submitted a pretty fun one this round.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:01 pm 
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Too late I realize that Dark Depths is a real and viable deck. My deck beats it, but it's still cool.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:07 pm 
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Huh, yeah, I guess you can even do it with Thespian Stage to get around Inquistion and FoW decks that don't play Snapback.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 7:18 pm 
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Yeah, losing to Snapback is the main drawback. If DD didn't take SO MUCH MANA to work, you could even potentially get around that with a storage land.

I hope somebody plays Crucible/Cavern of Souls/Awesome Dragon.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:33 pm 
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Too late I realize that Dark Depths is a real and viable deck. My deck beats it, but it's still cool.


It is banned in vanilla and alt rounds.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:18 am 
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POSValkir wrote:
I don't see it as much different than the lotus rounds honestly, there is a slight upturn in the viability of silly decks, but not much...and still not much reason to play them unless you're just having fun.


it is fundamentally different. the difference is that in a lotus round you KNOW what people can play, and those decks have very narrow counters (eg, lotus/lotus/fatty lotus/lotus/planeswalker are very hard to beat and also very similar). look at the decks that did well this round: storage land, force of will & the rack, both of which have a lot of different optinos (there are tons of cards you can play with the rack) and also the decks that beat them are pretty dang diverse (I made a pretty long list). I think FoW is the worst for the meta because the decks that beat it are extremely narrow, even though it is unlikely to win any rounds.


No, you don't. What? I did really well with Hokiri Horobi in a Lotus round. The Rack/Affliction decks have exactly the same variety of options as in Lotus, unless some strange list was going to use Lotus and a 2-drop. Storage lands did work in the early vanilla rounds, too. If Show and Tell had gotten unbanned while Lotus was legal, there would be serious metagaming on the matter of whether to use Lotus or Storage. I feel like if you don't have equally long lists of decks in Lotus rounds, that's laziness on your part, not a problem with Lotus.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:06 pm 
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You are absolutely right on Lotus being unoriginal and without much room for innovation as an archetype. But your vision on what the rounds become "about" seems a bit off.

FoW is a much stronger deck in a lotus round because it has a stronger chance of "hitting" against a dual lotus deck.
Mayor is essentially Dual Lotus Grave Titan when Lotus is banned.

The same decks that are competitive when Lotus is legal are competitive when Lotus isn't legal...even moreso arguably. I mean, plug Dual Lotus Titan into a random slot last round and it doesn't do much better than anything else. Look at the scoresheet of Season 3 round 1. The top scoring decks from that round are all in this Season...except Bridge cause Mishra is banned. Look at the redux. The third placing deck was the number two deck of the first round of Season 5. You might argue that Dual Lotus still won...except the deck didn't do much better without Lotus. The only real difference is your clever tweak to the deck would have lost horribly in the Lotus rounds.

I just don't think anything is much different without Lotus. A small amount of fringe tweaks are valid without Lotus. A small amount of different decks are valid with it (like Anurid Scavenger deck.)

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:17 pm 
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I will say this though: Dual Lotus can do some pretty sick things in the Epic round...

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:26 am 
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Hello.

Is there any reason I can't play black lotus + time walk + gudul lurker this round?


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:39 am 
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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:40 am 
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So I could play storage land instead of lotus?


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:48 am 
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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:53 am 
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Mkay. so there's that and lotus lotus 5 damage heal for 5

I like this round

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O.O Inkmoth Nexus + Island + Time Walk


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:58 am 
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I have this awful feeling that some hate deck is going to run away with the game because people are trying to do cool things.
Found a list I really liked though.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:37 am 
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Found a deck that it's as terrible as(to me at least) funny.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:56 am 
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Mown wrote:
I have this awful feeling that some hate deck is going to run away with the game because people are trying to do cool things.
Found a list I really liked though.

I got a fun looking list too. I haven't found much hate though...Daze, Discard, and The Rack are the most reasonable ones...Hive Mind and Curse of Echoes the most hilarious.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:21 am 
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