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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 4:16 pm 
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Mentor almost always wins with Ulamog because it blows up Bridge.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:14 pm 
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Storage Lands know how to satisfy your needs...heck, you can even blow up your OWN bridge if you were so inclined...but that would be weird and inefficient.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:24 am 
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Has anyone ever used Pulse of the Dross? Cause Lotus Memnite Pulse of the Dross seems just as good as blackmail or whatever except not banned.

Obviously not in this round but it seems reasonable in some vanilla formats

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:31 am 
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That's pretty much equivalent to Coercion, which I think I've seen once or twice in the past.

Blackmail has two bonuses: it can be played in non-Lotus rounds, and it can be played with The Rack, which is a much better threat than Memnite if your deck supports it.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 1:35 am 
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Oh yeah...actual coercion as well as obscure cards like Pulse of the Dross.

True, the rack is good. That makes sense.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:55 am 
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I think the better version of dross.dec is Black Lotus / Abandon Hope / Nether Spirit. Abandon Hope is legal because the deck is incapable of casting it for more than X=1. The threat the deck lands is a recurring 2/2 rather than a one-time 1/1. And in an absolute pinch (read: an opposing Leyline of Sanctity, making casting Abandon Hope impossible), you could actually hardcast the Spirit.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:46 pm 
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I'm Repulsed by this discussion :V

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:49 pm 
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You need a better Pulse Tracker.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:44 pm 
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That goes against every Impulse I have...

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:16 pm 
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Well, that's what happens when you Act on Impulse.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
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That may indeed have been the Death Pulse this terrible pun war needed...

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:46 pm 
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I tempted, in my drunken annoyed at limited losses state, to play
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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:08 pm 
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Black Lotus :P

Anyways: Any deck that's faster really. Dual Mayor beats it, Dual Cathedral Inkmoth beats it, Energy Field Beats it, Dual Storage Karn or Ugin beats it. Leyline Krakas, 2 power creature beats it.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:14 pm 
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Outrace it. Deal more than 3 damage per turn on average. The Kuldotha Rebirth deck did it last round, as did recursive Sarcomancy. Mayor of Avabruck would have. If not for ForceFoilFear, I might have run City of Traitors / Mana Vault / Eater of Days last round.

You can skip your upkeeps. The funhouse mirrormatch against Gibbering Descent.dec does not favor The Rack.

The Rack being 'damage' lets you get away with Energy Field and the like, but that doesn't save you from Shrieking Affliction variants.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:16 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:48 pm 
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so how do you beat the rack without resorting to artifact destruction (inconsistent/bad)

Free stuff that stays in your hand :P

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
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so how do you beat the rack without resorting to artifact destruction (inconsistent/bad)

Inkmoth Nexus/Selesnya Sanctuary/Rune of Protection: Artifacts

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And in contrast to that, I'll play Swamp/Carrion Feeder/Gravecrawler

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:07 am 
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I might have run City of Traitors / Mana Vault / Eater of Days last round.

Nah man, Thesbian's Stage, City of Traitors is better...that's the basis of my fun deck! It's not vulnerable to IoK, it lets you beat Leyline/Karakas by copying Karakas and bouncing their Leyline, and it can still net you 4 mana.

The only down side is that it's two turns slower...but it also doesn't ping you to death.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:03 am 
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Bouncing Leyline? How does that work? Karakas only bounces Legendary Creatures. Leyline makes itself Legendary, but still not a Creature.

Copying Karakas is cute and all, but a turn 3 play is suicide. Even a turn 2 play ain't great, but you could get that with any 2-mana tapped land (Peat Bog cycle, Havenwood Battleground cycle, Tinder Farm cycle) plus City.

In 3CM I've found that quite often, anything you *can* do on T1, you really shouldn't put off til T2. Discard and countermagic and 'land destruction' (even in the form of Evil Presence) just make counting on a first turn land to lead into a second turn spell to be open to too many avenues of disruption.


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