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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:08 pm 
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Knowledge Pool exiles a copy of each deck, including your two gut shots and emrakul. You cast Gut Shot from your own hand, it gets exiled by Knowledge Pool, you choose Emrakul.


****.

Okay I'm going to be blunt. That sounds like a freaking awful format to play in right there.

This, btw, is why Anarchy also blows as a format.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:09 pm 
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if only eidolon of rhetoric and ethersworn canonist were able to race lands...

Edit:menmite, menmite, ethersworn canotist, here's another deck.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:14 pm 
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I don't see the problem, but then again, I'm the only person that has voted for it.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:22 pm 
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I see a couple viable decks for Knowledge Pool, but the format doesn't interest me. Anarchy is fine, you just end up with Round 1 of the vanishing 3CM. So a bunch of chancellor and some lab maniac and some lands. Medallion enables a ton of storm shennanigans. I'm not a huge fan of most alt rounds. 5 card Monty was absurd though

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:27 pm 
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I would play Advantageous Proclamation/[]/[] in Anarchy.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:31 pm 
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Mown wrote:
I would play Advantageous Proclamation/[]/[] in Anarchy.

Conspiracies aren't vintage-legal

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:32 pm 
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I read the format as "All Vintage-banned cards are legal."

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
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Mown wrote:
I read the format as "All Vintage-banned cards are legal."

nope.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:55 pm 
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There has to have been a 3CM+1 conspiracy round before hasn't there?

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:56 pm 
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Dr_Demento wrote:
There has to have been a 3CM+1 conspiracy round before hasn't there?

there has. turns out most of the conspiracies suck though

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:09 pm 
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Season 2 round 19:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1Y96kR9tf0

Unexpected Potential was the conspiracy in both decks placing #1 and #2. Turns out there's a reason Blue and White don't have Spirit Guides - turn-0 Force Spikes / Mana Tithes are kinda strong. As is being able to play both Funeral Charm and Meddling Mage off the same Black Lotus.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:29 am 
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I took another gamble on an outside meta possibility this turn instead of playing an all-around solid deck, there's one card I'm specifically worried about showing up a lot. Curious how it'll go.

You know what...I'm gonna use that card cause I just thought of something cool...if maybe not very effective.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:35 am 
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My question is: will we see more or less Channex this round? Also, what is the best Channex Deck?

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:42 am 
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There is no predictable best because they all have their weaknesses and the 'best' is just the one whose weakness is the least frequently exploited by the decks people submit.

If there was one that was perceived to be the best it would be the one people would play the best-defenses against and that version instantly wouldn't be the best anymore.


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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:52 am 
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I expected about the same disbursement of Channex and Wasteland. I expect less Wasteland vulnerable alternatives. I'm curious is creature removal (or "removal") will be heavier, but Gut Shot just seems like a solid play.

The problem with this round is that the alternate "power" decks you could choose (like dual storage) are hampered by BOTH Channex and Wasteland. If you try out the double Lotus, you lose to Channex (and given its success last round, I expect people to be playing Channex for free wins). If you try out the single lotus, you have options that can beat both lotus and wasteland, so you'll probably see a lot of that. (Also, I think it's basic RPS psychology that everyone tries to beat what just won)

You're other options of non-reactive play are basic land decks. Discard may be an option, but I couldnt think of anything really worth playing over other known decks.

The more I think about it...I think Channex use will probably decrease given Gut Shot and Wasteland success, and the fact that Shot is so efficient against the cheap threats trying to out-play Channex. Sooooo, probably fighting against Lotus, Channex hate, Threat moreso than any deck...which means Double Lotus is still probably viable :P

Edit: Oh right, I forgot that Revoker is a thing too. So this whole round feels kinda random...

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:29 pm 
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I decided that'd I'd rather submit something fun than metagame this week. I already have a loss because of it, but oh well.

As for the Medallion format, I haven't found a first turn infinite combo yet, so I'm sad.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:40 pm 
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I got a pretty solid deck for Medallion. Turn 1 Infinite is an illegal deck isn't it. Needs to wait till turn two otherwise it can win before the opponent can play.

Edit: You could do Su-Chi...but it doesn't really do anything but make an unremovable Su-Chi.

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Not if you make infinite non-hasty creatures turn one. Then you don't win until turn 2.

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 Post subject: Re: 3cm meta discussion
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I got a pretty solid deck for Medallion. Turn 1 Infinite is an illegal deck isn't it. Needs to wait till turn two otherwise it can win before the opponent can play.

helix pinnacle is the classic solution to this problem. you make infinite mana, at least one of it green, then play pinnacle, give it a billion counters, and wait a turn.

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