Storage land? It's the same issue of too many ties because you can't force them to play anything.

Hmmm, that is still a mental hurdle for me here. I took a serious look at Venser, Shaper Savant until I realized it does nothing but put a 2/2 on the board and there are cheaper ways of doing that.

If I wanted a big ole middle finger deck I'd just play Magus of the Disk.

Out of curiosity, do you think Ral Zarek or Ajani Vengeant is better in 3CM?

Edit: Nvm, that dumb coin flip rule...Ajani is better.

I wonder if the rules should ignore Planeswalker Ults. This is twice that a decent planesalker is horribly nerfed by a rule which doesnt make sense looking at the ult.

Ral Zarek also has a weakness simliar to frost titan in some cases.



The biggest weakness you can attribute to most cards in 3cm, other than the stupidly obvious, is "what does this do if my opponent never did anything"?

I had to rush my deck this week and as a result I'm losing to nearly all the submissions so far. Wheeeeeee.

This is what I get for realizing a card is good in this meta, and then not realizing that my final deck loses to that card.

lol, in my mind I have three different cards making a strong showing, my deck beats one, loses to one, and the third depends on the third card (I'm gambling the third card is reactive). It also has a strong showing against the non-conformists I'm expecting. It ALSO has a very weak showing against the non-conformists I'm not expecting...

An interesting aside, I expect chancellor of the forge to be the strongest of the 3 single card threats this time around.

It's free, and it can't be countered. And your threat cannot be countered by meddling mage or untargeted discard. Heck, your threat cannot be countered by targeted discard.

Memnite can be countered by channex. Thus, if that's your only win con you have a problem.

And since I expect wasteland to make quite the showing, any nonbasic lands are going to be weaker.




To go further, if your deck is going to tie or lose to chancellor of the forge + chancellor of the annex + wasteland, you might have a problem.


A simple deck that would get around such a thing is something like black lotus + meddling mage + gut shot. Gut shot deals with the 3 free threats for ... well free, it can deal with an inkmoth nexus (only a single one), and it can be pitched to channex. While the other two aren't that bad by themselves.

I'm struggling with composition this round. Will there be more Wasteland decks or more channex decks. Foil is the interesting...foil.

Wasteland decks will lose to Foil decks (unless Arbor, in which case it's a tie), Foil decks lose to Channex decks, and Wasteland beats Channex.

So when coming up with a deck I think its all about the percentages of those decks being played.

Jim's comment makes me think I made the wrong call though...

Wastland + Channex + Forge ties all foil decks (realistically). It also ties with a lot of wasteland decks, but not all of them. Any deck reliant on storage lands will also most likely tie or lose. So far...... yeah the pitch card + lotus + threat is the only realistic counter I've come up with to it.

It loses to 3Chan

if multiple Chancellor of the Annex:
Multiple chancellor of the annex still only trigger on the first card. Thus, there is no really good reason to play more than 1, or at least not a statistically relevant one I can come up with.


if multiple chancellor of the forge:
that is a very fragile deck, although not a bad one

I expect double inkmoth nexus to make an appearance here, and be one of the other top decks. Assuming the 3rd card is cathedral of war, you would be much better off playing that.

That being said, that's also a decent enough counter to channex, although it loses to the gut shot deck above.

I have no idea what your actual post meant, but I assumed you meant 3 chancellor of something.

Yeah, two Forge, One Annex.

Inkmoth Nexus x 2 + Cathedral of War

I think I have the best wincon. And I think I beat all the decks that have been discussed here except one.

Also, mjack, you can't cast Meddling Mage with Black Lotus. Lotus only creates one color of mana.

You're better off going Island/Mox Pearl/Meddling Mage. That way, you can use the island to pay the tax on the mox against Channex, and still land your Mage turn two.

Oh God my deck is so crap lmfao

drafted kheru spellsnatcher for my friend's legacy morph deck

The best reason I can think of for 2x Channex is to meta decks that are trying to play around it by paying the mana.

Well, Dr_D had a 2xChannex deck that won the round in Season 2. But it was 2x Channex + Icatian Store...and it was only like 7 players and at least two others were playing Channex variants.

it's better with cathedral of war, it kills just as fast, and it's evasive.

Classic.

And Inkmoth Nexus both flies and also does better with buffs.

However, it is worse at trading with Chancellor of the Forge Tokens.