Which I did.
I'm going to ignore the blatant appeal to popularity and go straight to the part where you think "everyone" means "you and Ko" and Shadowchu doesn't qualify as anyone.
No. You do, however, have to be able to sing.
So now you're not only claiming that traditional metal isn't traditional metal, you're also claiming that the singer is intentionally sucking.
No, no it isn't.
If it's unlistenable, as you put it, they are obviously failing on some level. That's assuming, of course, you aren't confusing your opinion with fact.

But, meh, I'll stick to groups that can actually sing and play their instruments. Bizarre choice, I know, but I'm a sucker for competence.
...Because you say so?
No, it's a baseless personal attack.
And this is even further proof.

...So your "counterargument" is using a single example of him singing a song written by and for someone else? And by a band that is dramatically overrated and generally inept?
And when you listen to the parts where he actually sings, it's quite pleasant. Again, you show a song in a style that completely misses the point of my statement.

But, meh, I direct you to Electric Eye. You lose, thanks for playing.

What you're saying? Yeah, that sums it up.
And I've heard live concerts as well. You're saying "Nuh-uh."
Coming from the guy who thinks people sucking magically makes them good because "UNP0l15H3D!!!!11oneeleventyone!!"

I'VE BECOME BLIND
I'VE LOST MY MIND
YES AND NO BUT ANNIE WOULD I LIE TO YOU?


feel free to discuss why this classic synthpop anthem objectively owns instead of bickering about metal for the millionth time with completely unreadable posts.

>Synthpop
>Owns
lolwut

Please explain why synthpop and Iris does not own

why did you ask that

now he is going to keep posting here

don't enable him

No, you didn't.



It's not an appeal to popularity when you're sitting here going "they sky is purple with green polka dots"! And the rest of us are like "what the **** is with this dude?"



Tautology



No I'm not. Quit throwing strawmen. There are specific branches of each genre of music based on ideology, country, music scene, etc. Just like how Bay Area thrash has different musical ideologies from Teutonic thrash, Tales of Medusa and bands like Manilla Road, Virtue, etc, handle things differently from the big names like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, etc. The raw, stripped down sound is what takes precedence here, and that includes the vocal delivery.



Prove it.



Just like how you're confusing your opinion here with fact, right?



No, because I've posted videos, reasonings, and what-have-you to prove why you are talking totally out of your ass.



If your arguments are so strong, refute the point.



A) I posted two actually.
B) So Black Sabbath is "generally inept"? LOL I can't take you seriously. Your opinions on music are utterly laughable.



Oh wow, a song absolutely dripping with studio effects, even though he recorded and layered his voice however many times over, cut and pasted to get the perfect take. Wow you're right that totally proves your case.

Actually, wait, no it doesn't.



Lol, keep repeating "im right cause im right lol", doesn't make your points any valid. But hey it's okay, I bet these people agree with you.



Again, strawman. Try again. Actually, wait, don't.

because i am curious

Ko is right, don't enable him. He will give this thread e-AIDS.

How can you say this after what you just posted and have been posting.

Because between him and I in that... well, I hesitate to call it a "debate", I wasn't the one being a raging mindless dick about music.

Because synthpop lacks any good artists. Come on, Duran Duran? Kesha? Yeah, when that's a good sampling of the genre, there's problems.

Also, I don't think I've ever heard a good voice in synthpop, which is a dealbreaker.
Yes I did.
Except, as I've said, your statement of "everyone" was wrong, and that's a bad analogy because I'm using a thing called "Reason," something you appear to be completely unfamiliar with.
Comically missing the point.
Yes you are. That's what you said, quite explicitly. You said that the singing was "sloppy" and touted that as a merit.
Cute try, but I'm not.
Then they're really not the same genre.
So the **** singing makes it a **** song? I agree. Glad we're on the same page, here.
Already did. But, hey, you're making the claim that music is more than sound. I'd like your proof there.
In order, lulz, no you haven't, and the lack of self-awareness is hilarious.
I have. All you've done is throw insults. Which is fine, except you need to actually have an argument behind them.
Two separate cases being addressed. Learn to reason.
Yeah, they are. Sorry you don't like it, but it's true. They're technically unremarkable. They've got nothing except for being there early.

No, I'm saying I'm right because you're unable to refute anything.

You obviously don't understand what that means.

itt people who aren't educated in music argue about music

you are hella 'enabling' though

i just posted one tho

I too have taken 6 credits in music theory at my community college and am therefore an expert

i use my ear holes ergo expart

take that pretentious college educated liberal jerk.

wow sick burn, people with functioning ears are experts in music. better let Beethoven know

check your privilege abelist

you did it wrong, nerd

ouch