games go in the pbp area

You know what? All of those should be moved to play by post. Immediately. As in right now.

Going out and saying "but X breaks the rules" doesn't suddenly mean Y should get to. It means we need to stop X from breaking the rules post haste.

And you all are completely unbiased right?

Whether or not you like it, the presence of games elsewhere is not an argument for moving this one.

In the case of the Card Chain Game, the Card Chain Game should not be in the Magic General subforum. At all. There is nothing to justify it. So, if you really want to go down this road, tons of legitimate arguments can be made to move it to the Forum Posting Games subforum. But not a single thing you can say about it says we should start moving other games to Magic General.

These have alternative arguments that can be used to justify their presence. Mainly, you are making cards as part of the game, and that is what the you make the card subforum is all about. There is nothing about 3cm that makes sense in magic general. Constructed? Maybe. Would you like to discuss moving your game to constructed?

That description makes an argument for putting 3cm, a "deck building game", in "deck building central", better known as "Constructed". No inconsistencies here.

These should be moved:

Battle for Eldangard: YMtC Block Constructed Tournament (Magic General)
NGA Constructed Text Duel/Game Setup Thread (Magic General)

to go to the other end of the scope..why have a pbp area at all? If it's a D&D game then put it in the D&D area right? and so on and so forth...

If clicking twice is too much work you could always subscribe to the thread.

Agreed, the YMTC game threads are games, but not only are they specific to that subforum but that subforums decription also includes those games. Just like Magic Generals decription mentions that its for discussion.

back when the Wizards boards didn't have groups, 3cm was in the play area of those boards. Only after the Magic PbP-area got killed by groups and after the MPFG group died a year later did 3cm move to Magic General.
Here, the situation here is more like the pre-group thing. So having 3cm re-instated in the PbP-area makes most sense to me.

The logic behind both arguments seems pretty clear.

First of all, indisputably, 3CM is a posting game. Thus it belongs in the posting games section. YMTC breaks this rule, so there is some precedent, but it whether you agree that an exception should be made for 3CM or not, that's a fact. Putting games from different gaming disciplines in the posting games section theoretically encourages people to spread out into other areas of the forum. There are also plenty of past magic players who have no real interest in keeping up with the game but who might come here primarily for posting games and want to get into the 3CM action.

However, historically 3CM has been in magic general. Magic players expect a magic game to be somewhere in the magic area, but specifically this one. Not only might some users not go looking for it elsewhere, but no users coming to the posting games can reasonably compete in 3CM without encyclopedic knowledge of magic cards, making the stated purpose of putting it there in posting games (to get the communities to intermingle) somewhat moot. You aren't likely to see 3CM and get into magic for the first time. Heck, it might not even be possible, and even if you were so intrigued you had to check out magic, you'd find that most of the discussion in the ymtc, draft, dotp, and constructed sections completely inaccessible, making the conversation even more moot.

Whatever decision we come to, I think razor's point is very valid, that any extra effort you have to make to keep track of something means some nonzero number of people will simply choose not to make that effort, no matter how small. So the question we have to ask is not "how hard is it to keep track of/find something in another forum" but really "is there any valid reason for having 3CM in the posting games section besides the fact that it is technically a posting game?" And if not, after weighing all the cons, is that really worth it?

Right now the general staff consensus is that it makes more sense to keep 3CM in the posting games section. I think making posts in the magic general area announcing new games is a great idea though, and we are going to monitor activity in the pbp section; if interest seems lacking as a result of the current placement, it isn't something completely immutable.

However, it is a goal to get people use other sections of the forum when applicable. For example, putting a "how was your day" thread into YMTC wouldn't make much sense and is just being inclusive for that community and something that could be shared with everybody in the Off Topic Room.
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