That sounds like a good idea, but could you start those threads instead of me? I don't know what I would say in the OP.


Well between always and never, always is the clear choice.


Nah it should be a Loxodon, you're right.


No, it was originally a 2/2 and the condition was that it become a 2/3.


I don't remember that. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, though.

Yep, it happened.

All the changes have been rolled into the plugin. Metalscape is now a artifact with "You may play Metalscape as though it were a land." Will start the threads in just a moment.

You have my permission to make all of these changes.

Desperate Prayer –
Instant
You gain life equal to the life you lost this turn. If you gained 5 or more life this way, put a 1/1 white Cleric enchantment creature onto the battlefield for each life you gained.

Heat Elemental –
Creature – Elemental
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, put a 1/1 red Viashino Scout token onto the battlefield.
"You'd think they'd find it hot enough."
—Aloise

I believe Unwoven Spellstuff needs to tweak the text.

" {T}: For as long as it remains tapped, Unwoven Spellstuff becomes a copy of target enchantment, except it has "You may choose not to untap this enchantment during your untap step." "

This means that the moment it copied another enchantment, it wouldn't care if it is tapped because it will lose its original copy ability.

Compare to Renegade Doppelganger, another card that becomes a copy of something else for a limited duration.

If you don't mind, I'll make the neo-Young Pyromancer a Viashino Shaman named "Giltfang Matriarch." I think it makes more sense that way. I'll implement the rest of the changes as you wish.

Edit: All changes finished and implemented.

Are we still going with the "suggested changelog" thing? What if we want to replace slots with new cards? New voting?

I honestly didn't think this far ahead. I just wanted us to get the cards done.

How do you guys think we should go about this?

Wait, why did we change Young Pyromancer? Are we against reprinting WOTC cards? I didn't see any flavour disconnect.

Because we don't want two different types of 1/1 red creature tokens in the same set.

Alright, I managed to put together a decent RG deck based around creatures entering the battlefield either en masse or repeatedly. It just lacks in the endgame department. There just aren't any big creatures. Lurking Frostjaw can work, but without trample it's hard to finish anybody off.

Working on getting Tarmogoyf to work. It requires support from Mind Shivers and Delve Into The Unknown, but it can work. Brains and Bodies helps too. There are a lot of cards that filter through your library but few actually stock your graveyard. Even fewer cards can stock your opponents graveyard. Chronicler Sphinx and Wanuranti are good endgames threats for the archetpe, but Wanuranti suffers from a lack of ways to mill opponents.

CKY, can you send me a list of all the changes you've made to the Cockatrice file since the first version and send me it so I can update the spoiler?

The only changes I've made so far are those posted above.

So my forethought was enough to get us thru design, but the disorganized way in which we tried to develop things last time didn't work. Here's what I suggest:

I will identify a hole that needs filling. Then, I will select beforehand a card to replace. The community is encouraged to veto my selection of the problem card if it is belovéd by others, or for whatever reason does not need to be cut. If you do veto, please suggest an alternative card to cut.

Then, the rest of the community will fill the hole. The winner gets to identify the next hole to fill, and again picks a problem card for it to replace. Then, we rather/rinse/repeat. Unlike during design, people will be able to participate in their own rounds. But to keep development from being monopolized by the same few people, the runner-up will set the next round if the person who set the current one wins it.

We'll do a thread as such for each color, just like before.

In addition, I'm going to start a discussion thread called "How can we make aggro more viable in Starstill?" The deck to beat are Chroniclerhaz Control. K_FM's Temur Combo seems pretty awesome too, but that's only because Viashino Suncaller is busted. The white weenie enchantment deck I envisioned is not viable, and in general, the Naya colors need to be brought up to 's standards. I think it would also be good to give Black some more aggressive options, too, so that there's a reason to play it besides Bahraz.

Finally, I will see about getting another subforum for custom-card ICDs. This will work as our Multiverse. It will probably also help things along with NGA Masters and Sagathia.

Does anyone have any suggestions with which to improve on this plan?

I have not played Limited Starstill ever other than some fishbowling with Cockatrice so its hard for me to pinpoint areas of design outside of specific card flaws, but I'll do my best!

Hm, so it sounds like there's no point fiddling with flavor stuff at this point if whole cards are going to be semi-regularly pulled in and out of the set...

Yeah, I think the set should be mechanically finalized before we start tweaking the flavor.