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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:33 pm 
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You can't really test with this few cards. Constructed will be "build around the handful of good cards, while playing filler to get to 60 cards", and limited will be horribly inbred by the increased frequency of certain specific cards.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:43 am 
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I suggest keeping the dual land cycle in enemy colors for the sake of NGA Constructed, which has a glut of allied duals.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:40 pm 
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I think the Time Spiral block would be the perfect set to match this one up with when we're imagining an entire Standard format. Time Spiral is all about how time, which is usually predictable, goes erratic. Starstill is all about how space, which is usually erratic, becomes predictable. Put Starstill, Time Spiral, and NGA Masters all in one Standard block and we've really got something to play with.

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It's a cute thematic connection but would it work play-wise? I mean how much mechanical crossover is there between the sets?


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I don't really think there are any. I'm just throwing it out there.

Alternatively we could balance it with the Khans of Tarkir block, once that gets going.

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I think it should be balanced for Block Constructed. Leave Wizards sets out of it.

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Indeed. That or NGA constructed. Once we get this set more or less settled it's going there isn't it?
Speaking of NGA constructed... CKY, is there any chance you could set up a Starstill format for playtesting?
Also, I'd like to hold a rare poll.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:48 am 
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The problem is that NGA Constructed is barely finished right now, and the banlist isn't set up yet. NGA Constructed also has a very high power level since it's an eternal format. We can remedy simple things like the lack of enemy duals in NGA Constructed, and I've attempted to push some cards that will be relevant in larger formats, but I think we should think of NGA Constructed as more like Legacy or Modern rather than being too concerned with how Starstill will impact it.

I will definitely set up Starstill for playtesting, but only once the set spoiler is finished.

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And we're done!

I'm going to update all the spoilers today. It'll take me a while but I hope to be done by the end of the day.

CKY, can you get Cockatrice up and running for us?

I'd like to thank everyone who helped make this project everything it was.

Let the playtesting commence!

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My pleasure. Give me a heads up when you finish with the spoiler and I'll put together a Cockatrice plugin for Starstill.

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My pleasure. Give me a heads up when you finish with the spoiler and I'll put together a Cockatrice plugin for Starstill.



Where can I download this?

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My pleasure. Give me a heads up when you finish with the spoiler and I'll put together a Cockatrice plugin for Starstill.



Where can I download this?



NVM, got it working.... :)

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About that spoiler...

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What is (going to be) in NGA Constructed besides Starstill?

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The Cockatrice plugin is finished and can be downloaded here.

Some changes I want to suggest based on my first impressions:

  • Auspicious Reversal: 1/1 white Soldier creature tokens to 1/1 white Cleric enchantment creature tokens.
  • Collector of Antiques: 0/1 with "Collector of Antiques gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control," to */* with one more Relic and "Collector of Antiques's power and toughness are each equal to the number of artifacts you control."
  • Illpyre Inquisitor: "Creatures you control gain protection from creatures with the chosen name..." to "Creatures you control gain protection from the chosen name..."
  • Brenem, Light's Shadow: "Each player may cast creature cards from his or her graveyard and from exile," to "Each player may cast creature cards he or she owns from his or her graveyard and from exile."
  • Delve into the Unknown: "You may cast a nonland card... revealed this way," to "You may cast a nonland card... revealed this way without paying its mana cost."
  • Glacinorak, the Frozen Heart: "Those permanents don't untap..." to "Each player skips his or her next untap step."
  • Bahraz the Tyrant: to .
  • Hellish Snowstorm: to .
  • Young Pyromancer: Change to functional reprint that makes 1/1 red Viashino Scout creature tokens.
  • Spark of Imagination: "converted mana cost 1 or less" to "converted mana cost 2 or less."
  • Soulclash Shaman: "Then each other creature with the same name... etc," to "Then those creatures fight each other."
  • Gruff, Wayward Wanderer: Change the +1 to "Up to one target creature attacks during its controller's next turn if able," and "Sacrifice a basic land. Search your library..." to "Sacrifice a basic land. If you do, search your library..."
  • Natural Rebirth: 1/1 green Saproling creature tokens to 1/1 green Spawn creature tokens.
  • Crushthread Sage: ": Return Crushthread Sage to its owner's hand," to ": Return Crushthread Sage from your graveyard to your hand."
  • Blood Grove Ancient: "...Forest land token..." to "...Forest basic land token..."
  • Quietus Engine: Add "Sacrifice Quietus Engine" cost to both activated abilities.
  • Graven Giant: "Creature - Golem" to "Creature - Giant Golem."
  • Archmage's Staff: "...X/X Snake creature..." to "...X/X Snake artifact creature..."
  • Cutthroat Automaton: "Artifact Creature - Shapeshifter" to "Artifact Creature - Shapeshifter Assassin."
  • Scavenger's Sack: "...Scavenger's Sack deals 1 damage..." to "...This creature deals 1 damage..."

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Quietus Engine: Add "Sacrifice Quietus Engine" cost to both activated abilities.

Oh, word, that was totally just an oversight.

Thank you so much for setting this up, CKY!

Now, how do I actually download Cockatrice? I tried a few weeks ago and was totally baffled by the Unix voodoo.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:22 am 
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Updated Quietus Engine.

For Cockatrice, I wrote a guide for it here.

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Solphos: Solphos | Fool's Gold | Planeswalker's Guide | The Guiding Light | The Weight of a Soul
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Parad, I think we should make a thread for Block Constructed testing and another thread for Sealed/Draft testing. We can use those to set up games, discuss deck tech, and so on.

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Solphos: Solphos | Fool's Gold | Planeswalker's Guide | The Guiding Light | The Weight of a Soul
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I think Metalscape should always or never be an artifact. Sometimes being an artifact depending on how it's cast is confusing.
Shouldn't Consortium Customs be a loxodon? Or did that idea get nixed when we went South American for flavour?
I think Breath Of Maraka might have gotten one of it's votes on the condition of making it a 3/3.
Also, I think Adaptive Yeti might have only gotten in on the condition it got trample. I'd check, but I really need to head off for work now.

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