I felt it was a brilliant gambit Alt, if a 'once in a meta' one, since it wont work again anytime soon.

Baffled to why you thought I was scum when even when I believed I was 100% dead and the day was over, I still stayed firm on my alignment.

@Altimis: I thought it was a great play. I was geniunely surprised and impressed when I saw what you did. I was so glad I hadn't tried to hammer that vote.

Didn't you receive the message I sent you after that one?
It was less than 12 hours after the first one.
Just to be clear, for you to win I wanted you to be alive day 5 OR you being alive N4, mafia/the SK not shooting you and the game ending after they shooted.

Given my resentful attitude I found it unlikely that would go in my favour, put to a community vote.

It was about how they would have interpreted the message, it didn't seem something so much personal.

The reason I lost some trust in you was because you didn't post after you thought you were dead.
It made me think that the brooding was all an act to try and push away a vote from a cornered mafia.

During Day Three, I was just trying to build a lackluster case against you to see who the hammer vote would be. Then I tried to bait you into a "Good luck town" post (my most recent use of "claim" was incorrect).

Then, as the day progressed, and the mafia weren't voting. It made me more suspicious that you and Garren or that your or Garren were mafia. I was hooked on two pairs, You and Garren and You and Zherog. With both teams you were the common factor. So I figured you were the safer lynch and (if you were mafia) it would give us another day to figure out between zherog and Garren.

@seTiny: You definitely had the MVP this game.
Though, hearing the request for the re-mention of "I'm out of town" post seems slightly foul, he did post that he would be away. That should be enough, but I guess people can forget too... meh. I can't complain because I think it was handled properly.
The only thing I would do next HW is make sure that you make your posts more flashy. Colors! Free things! Murder! Anyhting to help distinguish them from the other hubdrub of the typical posts.

Setiny not posting was the main reason for the 24 hour extension.

Me having to pass a bunch of exams this month was the main reason for the unflashiness of my posts.

Booooo exams! Boo

Yeah, like I said I had every intention of posting something while I was on vacation. Even if it was only a reminder that I was on vacation. Unfortunately my tiredness and the internet service at the hotel made it difficult.

I also misread what Zherog was asking for, I thought he was asking for HW to post during the night that I would be on vacation which I thought would have given away that we were talking about it during the night. Rereading it now I see it was for the morning which would have been appropriate.

Again I apologize for not posting anything during my vacation.

About the set-up, it all started for trying to solve the lurkyness of the Paranoia paradise forums, I wanted a game with no vanillas and after a couple of hours I found a cool one:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Idea_Mafia
This one, unfortunately I explained it badly to JD so he believed I wanted to do a closed setup with predetermined roles.
I started working at it, and wanted to keep at least for some players the possibility of choosing their alignment so I made neo's role, to fit a mafia team of two players in a game without vanillas I gave them a 1 shot bulletproofness to benefit from the SK more than town and a extra NK with a drawback(Zherog role, the vanillizing role was supposed to cancel the targeted player role(except maybe elijin's survivor role) but I forgot to mention it).

I also keeped the investigative roles to a minimum, while putting some easily confirmable roles to simulate cop results.

I tried to make both of the more vanilla roles(Zinger's and lilystorm's) being like informed townies to make them contribuite to the thread and stop them from lurking, they also could have helped the town by stopping the fear of cult, second mafia faction or whatever.

Elijin was mostly a slight drawback to town since even the one shot fruit vendor's message was pretty shady,especially if only sent once.

The masons could sort of confirm town themselves in thread to each other thanks to the cop-miller combo plus the possible cop and the possible frendly neighbour and nobody else being a mason, but that would have made everything a lot more clunky(and they would have lost the chat)

I can't remember how confused's role came to be, maybe it was the one that originally found out if a player had a third party win condition(I cutted it to give neo some more breathing room)

Gob_O scarlet was the doc, I wanted a protective role of some sort in the set-up due to the number of deads.

Garen was also supposed to limit the nuber of nightkills, I tried to make sure that he would use the roleblock the day that zherog had the extra nightkill, by giving him enough shots to last until he was most likely dead and only affecting mafia, but it didn't work.

True_Believer was mostly there for informing town when lylo/mylo was since there was a two players mafia faction, plus some shenanigans with switching his double vote or pretending that the vote was removed permanently at the cost of a on demand charismatic/permanent vote thief looking a bit more scummyish.

Altimis was to save the town from a early power role lynch or a lucky mafia nightkill(bodyguard)

For whatever it's worth, Eli, I totally believed you had Town Pants. (The fact that people took at is you and I being a team and me trying to defend you had nothing to do with me being vocal about you're alignment. Honest. )

Alt - I thought your play on D3 was abso-freakin'-lutely brilliant! I came very close to falling for it, to be honest.


It's funny - my two choices were "poisoner" or "treestumper". Basically, I could either kill somebody at night or treestump them - they could still talk, but wouldn't be able to vote. In both cases I had to pick my target on Night 1 and the effect would happen on Night 2. I chose poisoner because I thought treestumping somebody would be completely sucktastic for that person. Then as I thought about it - I realized I found killing somebody in the game to be "more fair" than taking away their vote. What a weird game...

What would have been funnier is that you might have treestumped Confused who could treestump himself.

Oh, on the timezone thing - I personally don't have any problem with a host who says Day/Night ends on their personal timezone. Just tell us what that timezone is. Google will convert from one to another for anybody who needs help figuring it out. For example, "Night ends 3pm EDT Saturday September 27th."

And yet another victory for mafia. Apparently people don't know to play as town or are doing something wrong. I possibly include myself here.

After Confused death, I started to suspect Zherog; because he acted exactly like the other game I participated and he was Mafia in that game, Garren, as always, because he is always a suspect; and Setiny, because he targeted mostly dead people and when Altimis revealed his ability, he knew it wouldn't work in lylo and he could live without being a threat. Both Setiny and Garen had also hammered the last votes in me at first day. I didn't follow close enough to know the pattern of the other days, but if they were the last to vote in other days that would be incriminating even more.

Also my knew policy will be to vote the least suspicious player from now on.

....oh Bull! Town aligned Survivor was a thing?! What is the point in that?! This isn't a freakin' after-school special where we all get to sit around giving group hugs and high fives. Elijin is either vanilla or he's a neutral party - 'double winning' shouldn't be a thing! Town uncovers mafia and makes an example of them, mafia creep around in the shadows and slit throats and neutral parties do whatever it is they are tasked with! In the words of an immortal "There can be only one!"

You do realize that with Elijin being Town aligned Town wins if he survives to turn whatever right? I doesn't matter if we are in Lylo the second we hit turn X town wins with that ability. That's why survivor is neutral - if it's aligned it undermines the whole point of the game by having one guy capable of carrying his entire team to victory regardless of anyone elses plays.

Urgh. That's going to be a bug up my ass forever now. My apologies Elijin - your Role was BS but you had no choice in the matter...

Oh - the part about the co-worker with "Happy" as his ringtone? That was all 100% true, unfortunately.

GG.

Good to know that I was high on the Mafia's to-kill list early in the game before Neo whacked me. Means I was doing something right. lol

No, it doesn't. Town's win condition isn't changed by Eli's role, that's why he had the capacity to win twice, he had two win conditions. Had the mafia not voted or NKed him at the end of the game, Eli would have won under his secondary condition and lost under the town banner. This is neither the first time town has had two win conditions, nor the first time a survivor has been town aligned. Survivor is a role, not an alignment.

So what your basically saying is he's town until such a point that it stops benefiting him? How exactly is that not neutral? What you're saying is he can basically flip from town aligned vanilla to neutral survivor at any point depending on circumstance.

What happen is he survives to turn X and mafia wins the game? Do mafia lose because he survived X turns or do they win? Do both Elijin and mafia win?

What happens if he survives to turn X and town wins the game? Do they both win? Is Elijin's 'double-win' better so he wins and town loses? Because of that's the case the ability promotes just selling town down the river late game to secure your own victory.

I guess I just don't get why this isn't a neutral role when it is entirely about putting yourself first. Maybe I just think the idea of double wins is stupid on the face of it. Maybe I'm just a horrible backstabber who can't share victory with others.