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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:29 am 
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The game ended, the mafia won, all other factions lost.


Good job, Chaoslight and 15377, nobody suspected you.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:48 am 
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Well, that was a weird game. Thanks, all. Good times!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:50 am 
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:hattip:

It was nice working with you Zherog.



@Elijin: About your theory of a non-lynch because I was away was a good one. It was wrong because I was reading the thread each night and could have help hammer you, but I never would have. It allowed for the exact situation that occurred. You were a suspect because of the non-hammer. It was NOT wrong because I was scum.

I had meant to post during that time but the internet connection was so slow that it was a pain to do anything. It took a couple of minutes to log in the first day that I just stopped logging in.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:55 am 
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In an effort to explain my mistake.

Here was my PM:

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Limited bulletproof:Attempts to kill you other than the mafia nightkill, being lynched or your nightkill automatically fail.
Fakeclaims:You know that town doesn't have more than one of those abilities: X shot vig /(Weak) CPR doctor(dies if targets scum(weak), kill his target if that player is not targeted by a kill that night(CPR))
/Master of none/Jack of all trades(multiple one shot abilities)/Werewolf Alien Cult Leader(all together)/Babyface serial killer/Gunsmith/2 shot sane or insane cop(you don't know, you get results as town,non-town)/Thirt party identifier/Vengeful/Saint.


So - here was my problem (and it was mine, not Hello Worlds).
I mis-read the "You know that town doesn't have more than one of those abilities" as "You know that town doesn't have more than one of each of these abilities"

Which, of course, was more than enough for everyone to get me.

I'll do better next game! I should have taken my other role, the mafia traitor.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:59 am 
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@zherog, you were supposed to fakeclaim N6 strongman AND bulletproof vig,it was the only combination that allowed a town aligned player to win if that night a mafia aligned player and him were the only one alive.

I modified those a little, but here are the pm, The curse that the mafia was suffering is explained in the dead thread.
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Neo's mysterious letter
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Zinger informed townie result
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:01 am 
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I hate you seTiny. Zherog, the jury's still out :p
I still suspected you, but everyone else was SO freaking suspicious to me.

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Sorry, I dunno if I can edit yet.
But well played. Kudos to you guys.

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CKY: Through a convoluted series of events involving three tons of garden gnomes and a pickup truck, Henderson’s Magikarp defeats the Deoxys terrorizing the city.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:04 am 
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Nobody suspected me of what '-'

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I suspect Alt will be shocked he's still alive, and will then push for either Garren or me.


Your guys' thread is so humiliating for me :rofl:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:07 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:11 am 
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I knew my fake claims were bad when I made them. I went with it for a couple reasons. First, I suspected even with my bad claim - and my "if I was lying, wouldn't I make up something better" totally had me laughing out loud - focus would fall mostly on Garren or Eli, and that it wouldn't be that hard to steer conversation against one of them during the day. Second, I also knew there would be some attention on me during this last day, and so I wanted to give Tiny something to hammer on me for if he needed to distance himself from me. I figured he wasn't going to be on anybody's suspect list if the game went on, so I could afford to sacrifice and help him get Town Pants if needed.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:13 am 
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Oh, I killed Confused N2. I was a poisoner, and had to pick my target on N1.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:15 am 
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Yeah. I didn't buy the whole mase up something better bit. To me that's just like the newb card; plus I tried using it last game as Dante.

But the last two days for me was the SD'ing townies.
@Elijin and Lily: I was super mad when you guys both, at some point, said "yay town loses". That isn't the behavior we need when the game gets to the last days. Sure it sucks that you are under suspicion and all that, but you should do everything you can to help the remaining town in that scenario especially the closer you are to being lynched.

I was trying to get Elijin to effectively claim his role by turning off my charismatic vote; but it didn't work. because mister town pants vendor himself stepped in and pointed out that the round was supposedly over :p

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:36 am 
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altimis wrote:
I hate you seTiny.


Awwww I hate you too buddy :fonz: :thbbbt:



Because it came up in the dead chat:

I lied about Felbatista's role, and brought it up a few times to put doubt on Garren's rolecop claim. I never really got to make that case because Altimis was dead set on Elijin.

I had a plan going into each day after the night phases, but each flip stopped me in my tracks. The mason flip was the biggest surprise.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:38 am 
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Problem being that any time I responded, and added my thoughts on who was scum, since I knew I wasnt, you immediately accused me of deflecting.

You created a situation where by responding to you, you simply accused me of being scummier (which others then picked up and ran with). You also tried to get me to claim, which ignores that fact I had claimed, you just didnt like my claim.

Plus I flat out stopped giving a **** on this last day, when Hello World tried to change my win condition from me winning by being alive day 5, even if I would endgamed Night 4, to me having to also survive Night 4. (Then falsely led the dead chat to believe I had simply mis-read my role when I wasnt there to comment. Fun facts: I also had others on NGA who werent involved in this game, but are typically involved in resolving rule disputes on NGA read both the original PM and Hello World's last minute change. They came to the exact same result I did. Bonus points for Hello World's final post in the dead chat implying he had backed down on the change and was actually going to give me the win if I made it to day 5, so I guess he worked out his screw up.)

But yeah, you believing your own hype, and the win condition being pulled out from under me when I was close enough to achieve it, and being made essentially impossible means I gave zero **** about today.


And to address the other things HW addressed in dead chat:

No confimation of game start: Not everyone haunts this website. Replying to a PM is not the same as seeing a topic has started, and the game is underway. You didnt mention it in PM OR in the setup thread.
Time zones: Expecting people to log out to see what time zone you're referring to (Which you expected without even telling us thats how you were operating) is absurd. My browser very rarely even sees my log out.

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Tiny and Zherog did a great job of capitalising on the silence + our hopeless groping. Good job.


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seTiny wrote:
altimis wrote:
I hate you seTiny.


Awwww I hate you too buddy :fonz: :thbbbt:



Because it came up in the dead chat:

I lied about Felbatista's role, and brought it up a few times to put doubt on Garren's rolecop claim. I never really got to make that case because Altimis was dead set on Elijin.

I had a plan going into each day after the night phases, but each flip stopped me in my tracks. The mason flip was the biggest surprise.

That was a really well played game by you guys.
I was trying to go with the simplest possible answer, I'm glad that I was able to throw a wrench into you plans at least a little.
Probably similar to you throwing a wrench in my plans too :p you guys were dead on about pretty much everything.

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@Eli: You can suspect people without deflecting though. Yeah, it's as awkward as it sounds, but think of it this way.
Don't respond to people voting you, because they are putting pressure on you. Post things, because it's what you want/are supposed to do.
You were responding more than leading, which is why it read like deflecting.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:45 am 
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Final thoughts: Im taking a break from mafia because Im sick of being the damn vanilla town!

Even the two games where everyone supposedly had roles, I still ended up essentially being freaking vanilla town! ARGH!


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Elijin, I have to say out of everyone we left alive you turned out to be the scariest. You saw a lot, and were right about a lot. You picked up on what I was going to do when I asked about your unchosen role. At that point I already knew you didn't choose a fruit vendor. I decided when I claimed that I was going to lie about Felbatista's role and put pressure on you and Zherog. However you picked up on the similarities of the each role, and didn't answer, killing most of my plan.

Lucky for us Garren locked onto the "Town" survivor thing and Altimis locked onto you pretty hard.


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Out of curiousity, who typical is it for people to do what I did with the charismatic role?
I felt I was being dirty, but it never said I couldn't so I went by the letter of the role. Is that generally acceptable, or frowned upon?

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GG, guys. Town never really had a chance due to how the first 3 days developed, though we still had time for another good performance by seTiny, my pick for MVP in the game. The more I play with the guy, the more I'm impressed by his game. Kudos to you, sir.

EDIT: Here's the Mason chat, btw.

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