@Elijin: About your theory of a non-lynch because I was away was a good one. It was wrong because I was reading the thread each night and could have help hammer you, but I never would have. It allowed for the exact situation that occurred. You were a suspect because of the non-hammer. It was NOT wrong because I was scum.
I had meant to post during that time but the internet connection was so slow that it was a pain to do anything. It took a couple of minutes to log in the first day that I just stopped logging in.
Limited bulletproof:Attempts to kill you other than the mafia nightkill, being lynched or your nightkill automatically fail. Fakeclaims:You know that town doesn't have more than one of those abilities: X shot vig /(Weak) CPR doctor(dies if targets scum(weak), kill his target if that player is not targeted by a kill that night(CPR)) /Master of none/Jack of all trades(multiple one shot abilities)/Werewolf Alien Cult Leader(all together)/Babyface serial killer/Gunsmith/2 shot sane or insane cop(you don't know, you get results as town,non-town)/Thirt party identifier/Vengeful/Saint.
So - here was my problem (and it was mine, not Hello Worlds). I mis-read the "You know that town doesn't have more than one of those abilities" as "You know that town doesn't have more than one of each of these abilities"
Which, of course, was more than enough for everyone to get me.
I'll do better next game! I should have taken my other role, the mafia traitor.
@zherog, you were supposed to fakeclaim N6 strongman AND bulletproof vig,it was the only combination that allowed a town aligned player to win if that night a mafia aligned player and him were the only one alive.
I modified those a little, but here are the pm, The curse that the mafia was suffering is explained in the dead thread.
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Se_Tiny
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Hello Se_tiny you and Zherog are mafia aligned and can discuss this game in this QT[QT link] (starting from now, until the beginning of the first day, each night).
As part of the mafia team you have those powers:
Nightkill: You or your partner can send me(or post in the QT) a target each night and who will perform the kill(I will use the last information I receive assuming it’s a valid target), the targeted player will be killed and eliminated from the game at the start of the next day. Bulletproof: The first time a member of the mafia is targeted by a kill(other than a lynch), that kill is stopped, you will not be advised on when this happens, if both players are targeted on different nights the second one will die, if a player is targeted multiple times in a single night he will die, if both players would have been killed in the same night your partner dies unless he is targeted by exactly one kill and you are targeted by multiple kills. Regardless of your choice you have those powers: Fakeclaim: Those roles are not in the set-up: Reflexive vanillizer /Switching the chosen player ability with the one not chosen(you have to find a name for this)/Bulletproof Beloved Princess/ Double hated innocent child(does not vanish in LYLO), also town has no more than one of your real roles.
Secret knowledge: You know that the roles a player can choose from are often similar in power.
Cursed: Something bad might happen to the mafia team sooner or later, it will most likely not happen and I’ll inform you in the QT at the end of the day if that threat no longer exists, just don’t think that you won the game until the curse is lifted.
You may choose one of those roles: 1)Rolecop: You can target a player each night in addition to the mafia nightkill. You will learn the abilities he/she chose(but not the abilities he/she always has or didn’t choose), those will be posted in the mafia qt at the beginning of the next day. 2)Alternate reality double rolecop: : You can target two players each night in addition to the mafia nightkill. You will learn the abilities they didn’t choose(but not the abilities they always have or did choose), those will be posted in the mafia qt at the beginning of the next day.
You win when your faction is the last one standing or nothing can prevent that.
felbatista
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Hello felbatista. You are town aligned. You may choose one of those roles: 1)One shot friendly neighbor: Once, during the nigth you can target a player , they will learn that you are town aligned at the end of the night. 2)Miller mason: I will send you a link to the mason chat where each player that chose to be a mason can talk, but you will appear as a threat to cops . You win when your faction is the last one standing or nothing can prevent that.
Zherog
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Hello Zherog you and Se_tiny are mafia aligned and can discuss this game in this QT[QT link] (starting from now, until the beginning of the first day, each night).
As part of the mafia team you have those powers:
Nightkill: You or your partner can send me(or post in the QT) a target each night and who will perform the kill(I will use the last information I receive assuming it’s a valid target), the targeted player will be killed and eliminated from the game at the start of the next day. Bulletproof: The first time a member of the mafia is targeted by a kill(other than a lynch), that kill is stopped, you will not be advised on when this happens, if both players are targeted on different nights the second one will die, if a player is targeted multiple times in a single night he will die, if both players would have been killed in the same night you die, unless you are targeted by exactly one kill and your partner is targeted by multiple kills. Cursed: Something bad might happen to the mafia team sooner or later, it will most likely not happen and I’ll inform you in the QT at the end of the day if that threat no longer exists, just don’t think that you won the game until the curse is lifted. Regardless of your choice you have those powers: Fakeclaim: Those roles are not in the set-up: Hated townie/post restricted townie/N6 bulletproof and strongman vig(both only on night six) ,also town has no more than one of your powers. You may choose one of those roles: 1)N1 poisoner: Night 1, in addition to your nightkill you may target a player, that player will die at the end of N2(flavor will indicate that he died because of poison, this is the only case were the flavor of the death will not be “died”).
2)N1 treestumper: Night 1, in addition to your nightkill you may treestump a player, he will be informed of having been treestumped and will lose his vote and abilities for the rest of the game, he will not count for determining the winners and his alignment and role will not be revealed until the start of the fourth day. You win when your faction is the last one standing or nothing can prevent that.
Seekeroftruth444
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Hello SeekerOfTruth444. You are aligned with the town. You may choose one of those roles: 1)One shot cop: once, at night, you can target a player to learn if they are mafia aligned or not. 2)Mason: You will receive a QT togheter with all other players that choose to be a mason and they will be confirmed town to you (and you will be confirmed town to them). You win when your faction is the last one standing or nothing can prevent that.
Elijin
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Hello Elijin. Your alignment is town. You may choose one of those roles: 1)town aligned """""Survivor"""""": You will score an additional "win" if you are alive at the start of day 5(even if you would have been endgamed night 4),you will still win if you die before that day, but the town wins. You are able to also get the town win for a double win, but you will win even if town loses and you fulfilled this win condition. 2)One shot Fruit vendor: Once per game, at night, you can target a player, that player learns that the only action that you performed this night was targeting him and receives a fruit. You win when your faction is the last one standing or nothing can prevent that.
squinty_eyes
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Hello squinty_eyes. Alignment: town. You may choose one of those roles: 1)Two shot "activity checker": Twice during the game(at night), you may choose to learn if three or more players performed an action that night. 2)Two shot "factions checker": Twice during the game(at night), you may choose to learn the number of factions still in the game at the start of the next day. You win when your faction is the last one standing or nothing can prevent that.
neosilk
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Hello neosilk.
You have the following abilities: Mysterious letter: You will learn part of your roles, included possibly fakeclaims, only after choosing one of them. Out of the ordinary: You know that most players can’t choose their alignment and have it listed at the start of their PM. You may choose one of those roles: 1)Mafia traitor: You will receive the standard mafia wincon and the names of the mafia team, they will not know that you exist, if they will attempt to kill you, you will instead be fully recruited when you would die. 2)Serial killer: You may choose and kill a player each night(it will be resolved at the start of the next day). If you choose this option, you win when you are the last one standing or nothing can prevent that.
zinger
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Hello Zinger2099. Town aligned. You may choose one of those roles: 1)One shot selfwatcher: Once during the game (at night) you may activate this ability and learn the name of the players that targeted you that night. 2)Informed townie: If you choose this option, you will learn some information about the game at the start of it. You win when your faction is the last one standing or nothing can prevent that.
confused
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Hello confused. You are aligned with the town. You may choose one of those roles: 1)Coroner: You may target a dead player each night, you will learn the role that they didn’t choose and it's abilities(only the paragraph after the colon). 2)One shot self treestumper: You can treestump yourself during the day by PMing me(and JD) , this will confirm you as town in the thread, but you will lose your vote and won't count for the various wincons,this ability will also remove all the votes and prolong that day for 3 extra days. You win when your faction is the last one standing or nothing can prevent that.
GobO_Scarlet
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Hello Just a Cleric. Your alignment is town. You may choose one of those roles: 1)Odd night doc: Each odd night you can target another player, all nightkills targeting him will fail. 2)1+x shot rechargeable jailkeeper: Once you can target another player to stop all of his targeted abilities until the next day and protect him from being targeted , you will gain an extra use of this ability for every two night where you don't jailkeep someone, the targeted player and any other affected player will be informed that their action failed, if you roleblock a mafia roleblocker that is roleblocking you and performing a kill, the kill will be stopped. You win when your faction is the last one standing or nothing can prevent that.
Garren Windspear
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Hello garren windspear. You are aligned with the town. You may choose one of those roles: 1)one shot even night bulletproof: the first time someone would successfully shoot you, if it’s an even night, you will survive. 2)odd night two shot modified roleblocker: Twice during the game, during an odd night, you may target a player, if that player is mafia all his actions performed that night OTHER than the nightkill will be roleblocked and he will be informed that he was roleblocked and the roleblock was successful because he was mafia aligned. You win when your faction is the last one standing or nothing can prevent that.
True_Believer
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Hello True_Believer. Your alignment is town. You have the following abilities: Panic: Your role doesn’t work in lylo(if town doesn't lynch a treat, town loses) or mylo(if town successfully lynches a player that is not a threat, town loses excluding failed nigthkills on town or successful nightkill on mafia and similar things). You may choose one of those roles: A)Charismatic: You may have your vote count double(tell me and to JD when you want this to be active by PM) B)voteblocker (lasts 1 day):You may target a player(each night) to have their vote not count the following day. You win when your faction is the last one standing or nothing can prevent that.
Altimis
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Hello Altimis. You are town aligned. You may choose one of those roles: 1)Universal town back-up: You will receive the role of the first non-vanilla town player that dies(you will not receive extra uses of used abilities). 2)Bodyguard: you may target a player each night, if they would be targeted by a nightkill that night you will die instead. You win when your faction is the last one standing or nothing can prevent that.
Neo's mysterious letter
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Limited bulletproof:Attempts to kill you other than the mafia nightkill, being lynched or your nightkill automatically fail. Fakeclaims:You know that town doesn't have more than one of those abilities: X shot vig /(Weak) CPR doctor(dies if targets scum(weak), kill his target if that player is not targeted by a kill that night(CPR)) /Master of none/Jack of all trades(multiple one shot abilities)/Werewolf Alien Cult Leader(all together)/Babyface serial killer/Gunsmith/2 shot sane or insane cop(you don't know, you get results as town,non-town)/Thirt party identifier/Vengeful/Saint.
Zinger informed townie result
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There is a mafia faction, there is no werewolf faction, there is no cult.
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I hate you seTiny. Zherog, the jury's still out I still suspected you, but everyone else was SO freaking suspicious to me.
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squinty_eyes: Alt, you have fantastic logic. And zero political prowess. CKY: Through a convoluted series of events involving three tons of garden gnomes and a pickup truck, Henderson’s Magikarp defeats the Deoxys terrorizing the city.
Sorry, I dunno if I can edit yet. But well played. Kudos to you guys.
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squinty_eyes: Alt, you have fantastic logic. And zero political prowess. CKY: Through a convoluted series of events involving three tons of garden gnomes and a pickup truck, Henderson’s Magikarp defeats the Deoxys terrorizing the city.
I suspect Alt will be shocked he's still alive, and will then push for either Garren or me.
Your guys' thread is so humiliating for me
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squinty_eyes: Alt, you have fantastic logic. And zero political prowess. CKY: Through a convoluted series of events involving three tons of garden gnomes and a pickup truck, Henderson’s Magikarp defeats the Deoxys terrorizing the city.
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I knew my fake claims were bad when I made them. I went with it for a couple reasons. First, I suspected even with my bad claim - and my "if I was lying, wouldn't I make up something better" totally had me laughing out loud - focus would fall mostly on Garren or Eli, and that it wouldn't be that hard to steer conversation against one of them during the day. Second, I also knew there would be some attention on me during this last day, and so I wanted to give Tiny something to hammer on me for if he needed to distance himself from me. I figured he wasn't going to be on anybody's suspect list if the game went on, so I could afford to sacrifice and help him get Town Pants if needed.
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Yeah. I didn't buy the whole mase up something better bit. To me that's just like the newb card; plus I tried using it last game as Dante.
But the last two days for me was the SD'ing townies. @Elijin and Lily: I was super mad when you guys both, at some point, said "yay town loses". That isn't the behavior we need when the game gets to the last days. Sure it sucks that you are under suspicion and all that, but you should do everything you can to help the remaining town in that scenario especially the closer you are to being lynched.
I was trying to get Elijin to effectively claim his role by turning off my charismatic vote; but it didn't work. because mister town pants vendor himself stepped in and pointed out that the round was supposedly over
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squinty_eyes: Alt, you have fantastic logic. And zero political prowess. CKY: Through a convoluted series of events involving three tons of garden gnomes and a pickup truck, Henderson’s Magikarp defeats the Deoxys terrorizing the city.
I lied about Felbatista's role, and brought it up a few times to put doubt on Garren's rolecop claim. I never really got to make that case because Altimis was dead set on Elijin.
I had a plan going into each day after the night phases, but each flip stopped me in my tracks. The mason flip was the biggest surprise.
Problem being that any time I responded, and added my thoughts on who was scum, since I knew I wasnt, you immediately accused me of deflecting.
You created a situation where by responding to you, you simply accused me of being scummier (which others then picked up and ran with). You also tried to get me to claim, which ignores that fact I had claimed, you just didnt like my claim.
Plus I flat out stopped giving a **** on this last day, when Hello World tried to change my win condition from me winning by being alive day 5, even if I would endgamed Night 4, to me having to also survive Night 4. (Then falsely led the dead chat to believe I had simply mis-read my role when I wasnt there to comment. Fun facts: I also had others on NGA who werent involved in this game, but are typically involved in resolving rule disputes on NGA read both the original PM and Hello World's last minute change. They came to the exact same result I did. Bonus points for Hello World's final post in the dead chat implying he had backed down on the change and was actually going to give me the win if I made it to day 5, so I guess he worked out his screw up.)
But yeah, you believing your own hype, and the win condition being pulled out from under me when I was close enough to achieve it, and being made essentially impossible means I gave zero **** about today.
And to address the other things HW addressed in dead chat:
No confimation of game start: Not everyone haunts this website. Replying to a PM is not the same as seeing a topic has started, and the game is underway. You didnt mention it in PM OR in the setup thread. Time zones: Expecting people to log out to see what time zone you're referring to (Which you expected without even telling us thats how you were operating) is absurd. My browser very rarely even sees my log out.
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Tiny and Zherog did a great job of capitalising on the silence + our hopeless groping. Good job.
I lied about Felbatista's role, and brought it up a few times to put doubt on Garren's rolecop claim. I never really got to make that case because Altimis was dead set on Elijin.
I had a plan going into each day after the night phases, but each flip stopped me in my tracks. The mason flip was the biggest surprise.
That was a really well played game by you guys. I was trying to go with the simplest possible answer, I'm glad that I was able to throw a wrench into you plans at least a little. Probably similar to you throwing a wrench in my plans too you guys were dead on about pretty much everything.
Mafia Chat OP!
@Eli: You can suspect people without deflecting though. Yeah, it's as awkward as it sounds, but think of it this way. Don't respond to people voting you, because they are putting pressure on you. Post things, because it's what you want/are supposed to do. You were responding more than leading, which is why it read like deflecting.
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squinty_eyes: Alt, you have fantastic logic. And zero political prowess. CKY: Through a convoluted series of events involving three tons of garden gnomes and a pickup truck, Henderson’s Magikarp defeats the Deoxys terrorizing the city.
Elijin, I have to say out of everyone we left alive you turned out to be the scariest. You saw a lot, and were right about a lot. You picked up on what I was going to do when I asked about your unchosen role. At that point I already knew you didn't choose a fruit vendor. I decided when I claimed that I was going to lie about Felbatista's role and put pressure on you and Zherog. However you picked up on the similarities of the each role, and didn't answer, killing most of my plan.
Lucky for us Garren locked onto the "Town" survivor thing and Altimis locked onto you pretty hard.
Out of curiousity, who typical is it for people to do what I did with the charismatic role? I felt I was being dirty, but it never said I couldn't so I went by the letter of the role. Is that generally acceptable, or frowned upon?
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squinty_eyes: Alt, you have fantastic logic. And zero political prowess. CKY: Through a convoluted series of events involving three tons of garden gnomes and a pickup truck, Henderson’s Magikarp defeats the Deoxys terrorizing the city.
GG, guys. Town never really had a chance due to how the first 3 days developed, though we still had time for another good performance by seTiny, my pick for MVP in the game. The more I play with the guy, the more I'm impressed by his game. Kudos to you, sir.
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