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As I can tell "Cares about card type" with the mark being the future sight symbol for the type the card cares about

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Disclaimer: I know nothing about design or development and I only started reading about this project today.

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I'm really going to have to shorten up Adaptive Yeti's flavour text. Consider it on my to-do list. Also, instead of a scout, I was going to attribute it to a scholar who wrote a book on the plane's fauna. Then I'd put the book on a bunch of cards.
Also, Anjomeddon, THe Sun Itself gives Elori a run for it's flavourful name money.
@Aracades' Seal of Gleaming Sun suggestion - "of no" -V "without" night.

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Anjomeddon, Likes To Think He's The Sun (But Of Course He Isn't)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 3:44 pm 
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I never posted the changes I made from the text spoiler to the visual spoiler. Here they are:

Encapsulate flavor text changed from "The mechanical entities of Starstill computed long and hard on their magical counterparts, but could not comprehend them. Eventually, they stopped trying." to "The mechanical entities of Frostwynd computed long and hard on their magical counterparts in Illpyre, but could not comprehend them. Eventually, they stopped trying."
Lightbearer subtype changed from "Human Cleric" to "Cleric"—also, Bringer has been unkeyworded
Solar Flare (Neck Snap variant) name changed to Glyph of the Guardian because Solar Flare was already taken by a Silly card.
Springhaven Hospitaler name changed to Springhaven Medic
Soulsteel Saint name changed to Steelsoul Saint
Sunchaser Procession Cleric tokens changed to enchantment creatures

Glacinorak, the Frozen Heart "can't untap" word changed to normal "don't untap" wording
Rune-gear Tinkerer "G" in "gear" capitalized
Spellbound Serpent "It feeds off of magic. One spell a day is enough to keep it sated. But magic isn't the only thing it eats." flavor text added
Wall of Clouds flavor text changed from "The clouds are the only sanctuary from the sunlight that the sunscape has." to "The clouds are the only sanctuary from the sunlight that Illpyre has."

Brittle Bones rarity changed from Common to Uncommon.
Cheapshot Enthusiast flavor text changed from "There is no honor in a wasteland. The person who wins the fight is the person left standing at the end of it." to "'No sunlight, no honor.' —Coldhollow saying"
Lich of Lost Treasures changed from listing all the card types to saying "for each card type" because listing all the card types took up too much space. This changes the functionality slightly because before, it could only exile one instant/sorcery, while now it can exile both an instant and a sorcery.
Shamebearer subtype changed from "Human Cleric" to "Cleric"

Knifetail Waylay "'Finding an escape route' is a common viashino idiom for death." flavor text changed to "'Finding an escape route' —Viashino idiom for death"
Viashino Surprise attack "Until end of turn, creatures you control have haste" wording changed to "Creatures you control gain haste until end of turn."

Druid's Keepsake name changed to Druid's Heirloom; flavor text "The druids of Frostwynd have little to remind them how fertile the land once was, how the treefolk would once blossom with flowers. They have family heirlooms with dirt taken from before the Starstill to remind them of their heritage." added

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For Cheapskate Enthusiast how about, "Honor died with the dawn".
With Cansiz being a thing, should Lich of Lost Treasures just be Cansiz (and you know, legendary)?

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TPzombieW wrote:
For Cheapskate Enthusiast how about, "Honor died with the dawn".

I like it! Just to elaborate on this a little, maybe: "The Steelsoul buffoons from the other side speak of honor. Maybe in the sun, but not here. Here in Frostwynd, honor died with the dawn."

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With Cansiz being a thing, should Lich of Lost Treasures just be Cansiz (and you know, legendary)?

Way ahead of you! I'd actually already made that change; I just haven't uploaded it yet.

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Looking over the spoiler, there are only three cards that jump out at me as needing to be changed mechanically, and they all happen to be Black.

First of all, Shamebearer should be a 3/1, not a 1/3. Not the biggest deal in the world, but a 1/3 in black just doesn't feel right, and switching the P/T makes it mirror Lightbearer better IMHO.

Second of all, Icy Whisper just doesn't feel right to me in its present form. I think it should cost , hit sorceries as well as instants, cantrip, and be bumped up to Rare.

Lastly, I've been unsatisfied with Eater of Dreams ever since I designed it. Salvage Titan would have worked fine if we'd decided to go with colored artifacts, given the prevalence of Relics. But there just aren't enough enchantments in Black for a card like Eater of Dreams to make sense. I propose the following overhaul:

Layer of Waste
Creature – Demon (R)
Flying, trample
You may sacrifice an artifact, a creature, an enchantment, and a land rather than pay Layer of Waste's mana cost.
A harbinger of destruction in a world with nothing left to destroy.
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Kind of like a reverse Mastery.

What do people think about those three changes?

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I think Springhaven Hospitaler might have been a more appropriate name than Springhaven Medic. It's not a soldier that travels around with an army, it just hangs out in one part of Frostwynd and heals people. Plus there's a million medics in Magic and no hospitalers. Seems neat.

Black should not be sacrificing enchantments, whether it's three of them or just one of them along with some other permanents. Dark Prophecy is a lot less interesting when you can easily turn it off in-color.

Changing Shamebearer sounds good. I'd rather keep Icy Whisper at uncommon (and probably monocolor) to emphasize the spells theme in limited; maybe and make it grab instants or sorceries? I'm scared of the cantrip version because playing that on Instruments of Torture or Subterranean Scrawlings would be hella value, but maybe that's a good thing.


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Could I get the latest version of the MSE file please?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:06 am 
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I'm going to change Cansiz's name to Xeth. Sound cool?

Also, I'm just going to cut Eater of Dreams from the set altogether, because Shazzeh is right about black sacrificing enchantments.

Lastly, I'm going to merge Ethereal Form and Steam Cloak into the following card:

Ethereal Steamcloak
Enchantment – Aura (U)
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Enchanted creature is an enchantment in addition to its other types and can't be blocked.
, Sacrifice Ethereal Steamcloak: Counter target spell or ability that targets you or a permanent you control.

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I don't know about merging them. Might be better to have a to the death vote off.

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TPzombieW wrote:
I don't know about merging them. Might be better to have a to the death vote off.

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OK, I'm updating the spoiler now. Here's a list of all the changes I made. Everybody, please let me know if you have any objections.



Apostle of Elori: Made it so the ability only triggers off of nonenchantment creatures
Illpyre Inquisitor bumped up from Common to Uncommon. Wording changed to "When Illpyre Inquisitor enters the battlefield, name a creature card. Creatures you control gain protection from creatures with that name until end of turn."
Lifesteel Sculptor name changed to Soulsteel Sculptor
Lightbearer wording changed to "When Lightbearer enters the battlefield, you may put an enchantment card with converted mana cost 2 or less from your hand onto the battlefield."
Radiant Messanger "when" changed to "whenever"
Reification of Elori added Flying; "Whenever" changed to "When"
Steelsoul Saint name changed back to Soulsteel Saint
Springhaven Medic name changed to Springhaven Hospitalizer
Unshakable Resolve cost lowered to



Crystallize flavor text quote attributed to Xeth
Dehydration "'Your kind are not welcome here, softskin. Remove yourself, or the sun will.' —Garthok, viashino sandscout" flavor text added
Frostblight Foresight changed to looking at the top X + 1 cards of your library instead of just the top X.
Spellbound Serpent changed from Uncommon to Common
Sundrinker made into an Enchantment Creature
Wall of Clouds now bounces itself instead of sacrificing itself



Cheapshot Enthusiast added Deathtouch
Dark Rising name changed to Shadowform Awakening
Death World changed from Mythic to Rare because we had one too many Black Mythics. Name changed to Spiral of Death
Gravefall cost increased to
Icy Whisper cost changed to , now hits sorceries as well as instants
Phylactery Lich is now a Zombie Wizard instead of just a Zombie. That always bothered me.
Rattleskull Viashino name changed to Rattleskull Shaman
Winterwight name changed to Winterplague Wendigo, creature type changed from Zombie to Wendigo
Lich of Lost Treasures name changed to Xeth, Lich of Lost Treasures and is now Legendary.



Go Haywire changed from Common to Uncommon; now grants haste
Gleam Collector "you may" added
Viashino Surprise Attack name changed to Knifetail Ambush
Knifetail Waylay name changed to Knifetail Waylayer
Magespark Elemental added trample.
Manaruption "sacrifice a land" changed to "sacrifice a Mountain".
Rabid Fireweasel name changed to Scorchbane Wombat, creature type changed from Elemental Beast to Elemental Wombat
Raid the Ruins mana cost reduced to , changed from Instant to Sorcery
Sparksigil Apprentice now hits instants as well as sorceries



Breath of Maraka "Enchant land" changed to "Enchant Forest"; Treefolk changed from 2/2 to 2/3
Grove Tender is now a Human Druid; name changed to "Maraka Grovetender"
Wanderlust Wendigo name changed to Glimmerhide Yeti, as Wendigos are established as while Yetis are



Weathered Cloak rarity changed from Common to Uncommon.

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Barren Manifest now becomes an artifact creature instead of just a creature.
Quiet Factory now becomes a Construct instead of a Golem, because I want Golems to remain within the realm of Engrave.

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Xeth isn't the lich's name. Right now it's Cansiz. We're looking into something more Incan, but haven't really made a decision yet.
Not related to the changes, but I think Consortum Customs should be a loxodon. 2/4 is pretty big for a human soldier.

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1/3s in black are legit. Bane Alley Blackguard says so.

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I'm going to change Anjomeddon's subtitle from The Sun Itself to Harbinger of Flame. Is that ok with everybody? TP, especially? I just don't want people to get confused, because I think that the flavor of "He thinks he's the sun but really isn't" doesn't come across in the name on its own.

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Xeth isn't the lich's name. Right now it's Cansiz. We're looking into something more Incan, but haven't really made a decision yet.

Can you give me a name for Cansiz besides Xeth, then?

How about Wanuranti? It's Incan for Death on Earth.

Wanu (wah-noo) Death, or life after life.

Taytanchis Ranti (tie-than-chees rahn-tee) Equivalent to God on Earth. This term refers to the powers and capacity of the seventh level initiate in the Andean system of psychospiritual development. According to Inka prophecy the seventh level priest will be capable of ressurecting their own physical bodies after death.

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Something that was bothering me:

We have four lands that can produce or become an artifact in the set: Barren Manifest, Metalscape, Quiet Factory, and The Manufactory.

Meanwhile, we have no lands that care about enchantments. Since Barren Manifest being a Scarecrow artifact in addition to a creature was added on as an afterthought, I'm going to change it from an artifact creature to an enchantment creature, with the flavor text: Magic adores a vacuum.

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