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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:34 am 
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GW seems like the worst possible (maybe RW) color combination for grind clock. But there is nothing really inspiring. Eh, grindclock works with undergrowth scavenger in green as well.

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If I were to take Grindclock I would want to drop Green or White once I see Mind Sculpt. If I'm going Mill, I'm going all in.

I actually prefer the Razorfoot Griffin

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:52 pm 
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Accursed Spirit

I know it's the third color, but there's no green and only Griff in white. Lots of black. If we took the Cathar last pick, I'd take the Griff, but this way I prefer the Spirit.

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If we can create a stalemate, Grindclock will work better.

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Black is open. Accursed spirit.

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It might be a little early to call Black open, but Spirit is the pick.

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Griffin's the best card in the pack.

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Accursed Spirit isn't a signal. Take the Razorfoot Griffin.


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If I'm going 3rd color here then I'm taking Turn to Frog, I think.


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Based on pack composition it's very likely the two players to our right are not in black. So we can argue about the semantics of "open" or we can discuss signaling or we can hurr-durr another mediocre goodstuff draft deck.

2 power + evasion for 4 is worse than 3 power + evasion.

And yes, Frog is the best card in the pack.

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Looks like Green and White are being eaten up. We can either move into Blue with the Frost Lynx, or into red with Generator Servant/Forge Devil. Black also seems open, but doesn't have any strong cards aside from Sign in Blood.

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2 power + evasion for 4 is worse than 3 power + evasion.


The biggest difference is that the 3 power evasion gets taken out by bronze sable, so no, it's worse than a first strike flyer

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since we've got the clock, let's slow the game down. Lynx.

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sixty4half wrote:
rstnme wrote:
2 power + evasion for 4 is worse than 3 power + evasion.


The biggest difference is that the 3 power evasion gets taken out by bronze sable, so no, it's worse than a first strike flyer


I'm sure if you thought about it for a sec you'd realize there are common cards in black that kill x/1s and that that isn't much of an argument to ignore blatant signals.

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Frost Lynx. Getting passed a turn to frog, void snare, and now the lynx is also a signal.

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rstnme wrote:
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rstnme wrote:
2 power + evasion for 4 is worse than 3 power + evasion.


The biggest difference is that the 3 power evasion gets taken out by bronze sable, so no, it's worse than a first strike flyer


I'm sure if you thought about it for a sec you'd realize there are common cards in black that kill x/1s and that that isn't much of an argument to ignore blatant signals.

yes, because bronze sable is the only card that can block intimidate. it wasn't just, you know, an example.

there are 10 common creatures that can block griffin. of those, only 5 can kill it and only 4 of those survive themselves.

there are 14 common creatures that can block Spirit. of those, 12 can kill it, and 3 of those can survive.

evasion isn't just evasion. it has context, and the context says Griffin's evasion is better. better enough to be worth sacrificing the 3rd point of power? debatable. but at least there aren't decks where Griffin's evasion just shuts off.

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razorborne wrote:
rstnme wrote:
sixty4half wrote:

The biggest difference is that the 3 power evasion gets taken out by bronze sable, so no, it's worse than a first strike flyer


I'm sure if you thought about it for a sec you'd realize there are common cards in black that kill x/1s and that that isn't much of an argument to ignore blatant signals.

yes, because bronze sable is the only card that can block intimidate. it wasn't just, you know, an example.

there are 10 common creatures that can block griffin. of those, only 5 can kill it and only 4 of those survive themselves.

there are 14 common creatures that can block Spirit. of those, 12 can kill it, and 3 of those can survive.

evasion isn't just evasion. it has context, and the context says Griffin's evasion is better. better enough to be worth sacrificing the 3rd point of power? debatable. but at least there aren't decks where Griffin's evasion just shuts off.

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You're just looking at cards in a vacuum yet again. Drafting isn't based solely on the cards you pick, much more important is picking colors that are open and you can then turn into a deck.

You can go on and on about the list of cards that are better than other cards, or cards that beat other cards, but it's missing the point entirely: white is not open (not to mention it was, by far, not the "best card" in the pack as you claim) and black and now, obviously, blue is. This is much more worthy of discussion than listing a bunch of arbitrary cards that beat other cards.

Griffin isn't a card that you measure based on what can "beat" it. It's a slow clock and thus a mediocre pick in a color that's not even open.

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