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 Post subject: [World] Janhapuhr
PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 12:50 am 
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So, just to preface this, this is NOT the worldbuilding project that I have been slaving away on for the past Three or so weeks (That one is VASTLY larger than this). This is actually a member of the Unfinished Atlas. Anyways, I feel like it has finally come far enough, accumulated enough mass and I've managed to get enough details in the synopsis that I feel it's good enough to let out into the wild to play among the other planes.

Orcish has already provided a small bit and overall now, I'm just looking for people to add this and that, maybe a few notable figures, regions, or what have you. Aside from that, feel free to give it a review as a general fantasy world, because... well, sadly, I know all too well that not enough people are really familiar with Hinduism or even the small touches of Buddhism to go into those specifics.



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Janhapurh is a world of oceans with four notable continents. Two of them are arctic and mostly uninhabitable aside from a few shorelines colonies. The other two support life and Baradvipa is significantly larger than the other. At the southern edge of the largest continent, an extensive archipelago of islands, known as the Tala Islands, can be found. Plains are located to the west and north-central areas with heavy forestation dominating the south-western coast and mid-eastern portions. Mountains crown the continent and top of the western coast. Most of the east is lowlands, glades, and deltas.

Xembhala, the remaining continent is heavily forested and largely unexplored.

The views about the mana of this world are very very distinctive, with the belief that a being possesses mana vortices contained within themselves, which influence their spiritual growth and destiny. It is thought that magic can be blocked by emotional instability, the flow of the mana within being impeded by a clouded mind. Many also believe that a being can become more powerful if they are capable of joining their mana with that of the universe, the energy that flows through the land all around them. Harnessing that flow offers not only greater strength, but a possibility to alter one’s existing fate.

The Lotus is the most prolific symbol of these beliefs. While the common lotus is widespread, the potency of the greater Lotus’s power is legendary, and wars have been fought over the beauty and power of such flowers. The Lotus is so influential that it is central to nearly every culture in one way or another.
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I instantly recognized Hindu world. Nice work. I really have nothing to say: it's exactly how I imagine a South Asian-inspired world would be done.

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I instantly recognized Hindu world. Nice work. I really have nothing to say: it's exactly how I imagine a South Asian-inspired world would be done.

Thank you. Actually a lot.

One of the most daunting things I've experienced while working on this world was that Hindu stories aren't as widely known. The fact that you feel the resonance matches expectation means that I've managed to accomplish what I set out to do while still making something interesting, and maybe just a little enlightening.

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Very nice, and it is resonant (although I sort of wish the Vanara were actually monkeys). I take it this is Sri Hara's homeworld?

What colors are the Asuras of Pride and Greed? I would have thought white and black, but then where are the blue demons? It's really strange to have non-black mono-colored demons, but you do make it believable and Demon seems like a fitting creature type for them... they're just very unlike typical Magic demons.

Since the Rakshasas are vampires now are they undead and unable to reproduce, or are they some kind of "living" vampire than can make more of themselves?

Spiritual realms are mentioned but not explained. Are these separate parts of the plane (like Helkavin, Kamigawa, and Theros have)?

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Very nice, and it is resonant (although I sort of wish the Vanara were actually monkeys). I take it this is Sri Hara's homeworld?
Yep it's Sri Hara's world. He's actually linked under the Loxodon section, partly because... I ended up not wanting to retype a bunch of the little cues about culture that his dossier revealed.
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What colors are the Asuras of Pride and Greed? I would have thought white and black, but then where are the blue demons? It's really strange to have non-black mono-colored demons, but you do make it believable and Demon seems like a fitting creature type for them... they're just very unlike typical Magic demons.
They actually all are black. It's just they are each another color, and none are monoblack. Pride is indeed W/B and Greed is U/B. That last one has always been sort of the odd duck though. I'm open to changing it if anybody comes up with a better choice.

The whole idea was that I tried to find the overlap between the 7 deadly sins and the 6 Vices of Hinduism. Greed was the last one that felt workable given what other sins and colors I had to work with.

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Since the Rakshasas are vampires now are they undead and unable to reproduce, or are they some kind of "living" vampire than can make more of themselves?
They're somewhere between undead and alive. I haven't given it a lot of thought, to be honest, but I kind of see them as reproducing as fully formed creatures, like Athena from Zeus's brow.

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Spiritual realms are mentioned but not explained. Are these separate parts of the plane (like Helkavin, Kamigawa, and Theros have)?
Probably, but it's likely been a while since I typed that, so I'd have to double check.

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Yeah... none of those 6 Vices appear to line up with blue to my totally unfamiliar eye. Something about deceit and denial of the truth would, but I don't see anything like that in there.

I wonder if, since Tarkir is apparently going to have Rakshasas as Cat Demons, it would be worth waiting until you knew more about them and considering whether it would fit your concept to make your Rakshasas similar with them, for consistency.

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I wonder if, since Tarkir is apparently going to have Rakshasas as Cat Demons, it would be worth waiting until you knew more about them and considering whether it would fit your concept to make your Rakshasas similar with them, for consistency.

They are. It's one of the few nuggets of information we have.
But I am absolutely NOT going to follow it either.

While Rakshasa often get labeled as demons, they really aren't worse than any of a number of other things in Hinduism. That's one reason I'm sticking to the vampire angle. Hell, I'm already making concessions to pop culture by including the "cat" bit as it is.

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There's another concept that I've been sort of toying with, but I'm not sure if it would be all that respectful to do so.
I'd sort of like to tie the concept of the Boddhisatva to Planeswalkers, as the parallelism of the ascended being is really strong, but considering the strong ties to the Buddha and the term, I'm... kinda of wary about it.
Aside from that, there are some minor qualms in terms of motivation and connection which would separate the boddhisatva from planeswalkers, chiefly the concept of compassion and sacrifice involved with the former and the large LACK of said motivations in the latter.

Regardless, I do think this is a situation where at the least, I could invent a new title whose ties would be obvious, but distanced enough to maintain respect, but all the same, I would like a little more input from the gallery if that's all right.

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 Post subject: Re: [World] Janhapuhr
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There's another concept that I've been sort of toying with, but I'm not sure if it would be all that respectful to do so.
I'd sort of like to tie the concept of the Boddhisatva to Planeswalkers, as the parallelism of the ascended being is really strong, but considering the strong ties to the Buddha and the term, I'm... kinda of wary about it.
Aside from that, there are some minor qualms in terms of motivation and connection which would separate the boddhisatva from planeswalkers, chiefly the concept of compassion and sacrifice involved with the former and the large LACK of said motivations in the latter.

Regardless, I do think this is a situation where at the least, I could invent a new title whose ties would be obvious, but distanced enough to maintain respect, but all the same, I would like a little more input from the gallery if that's all right.

I think it could be interesting, and I do think that working from the "inspired by but different from" playbook as opposed to more of a carbon-copy approach is the right way to go.

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Barinellos wrote:
There's another concept that I've been sort of toying with, but I'm not sure if it would be all that respectful to do so.
I'd sort of like to tie the concept of the Boddhisatva to Planeswalkers, as the parallelism of the ascended being is really strong, but considering the strong ties to the Buddha and the term, I'm... kinda of wary about it.
Aside from that, there are some minor qualms in terms of motivation and connection which would separate the boddhisatva from planeswalkers, chiefly the concept of compassion and sacrifice involved with the former and the large LACK of said motivations in the latter.

Regardless, I do think this is a situation where at the least, I could invent a new title whose ties would be obvious, but distanced enough to maintain respect, but all the same, I would like a little more input from the gallery if that's all right.


This planeswalker would be a great platform for some commentary on Boddhisatva or those who believe in it, if you have any. Otherwise you could take the concept of the Boddhisatva and use it as a starting point for your planeswalker, rather than an end product.

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There are parallels between planeswalkers and bodhisattvas, but 'walkers don't ascend for any of the same reasons or have restrictions on motivation and personality, so I think using a different word and going with "inspired by" is the route.

Regarding Rakshasa, where DID the cat version come from? Was it just invented whole cloth by D&D?

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There are parallels between planeswalkers and bodhisattvas, but 'walkers don't ascend for any of the same reasons or have restrictions on motivation and personality, so I think using a different word and going with "inspired by" is the route.
Well, it's also a commentary on belief. People rarely have the full story when they begin to believe things. Not knowing the full extent of what planeswalkers are or their motivation, all they see is an ascendant being with god like powers. All it takes, really, is one benevolent walker to spawn beliefs.
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Regarding Rakshasa, where DID the cat version come from? Was it just invented whole cloth by D&D?

Basically. The only reference I could find people drawing references from was the concept of the dark magic attached to the "were-tiger" sorcerers.

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So.... I had kind of meant for this to go up to vote this week, but missed the deadline and didn't want to press anything, so I'll just bump it and see if anybody else has anything more to add or comment on.

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I finally got a chance to read this (almost caught up uuuugh) and I like it a lot. I think this is a very good model for how to lead an audience into a very unfamiliar setting.

I wouldn't use the real religious concept though. That... seems like a potentially disrespectful move to me, and even more than that it doesn't fit well with what planeswalkers kind of canonically are and do.


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I finally got a chance to read this (almost caught up uuuugh) and I like it a lot. I think this is a very good model for how to lead an audience into a very unfamiliar setting.

I wouldn't use the real religious concept though. That... seems like a potentially disrespectful move to me, and even more than that it doesn't fit well with what planeswalkers kind of canonically are and do.

Yeah, I don't think I would, but try to use it as a building point for something that parallels some of the ideas present while still establishing it as something tied exclusively to the setting. Partly I just want to give this world a little more character at how they view things we already accept as one thing.

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