Bob, why not cut the millstone for sphinx bone wand and kozilek?? You'll have more wincons that way..

I actually ran the hedron crabs for a while in my fogger build when I ran it at 21 lands. It was really great at milling. I cut it when I rose the lands up to 24 but then I lowered them back down to 22.. I think maybe I should try running the crabs for a bit again. Having that mill did help win a few matches during that period

Cool deck, Shadowcran! I like what it does to break away from the basic Green/White token swarm. But I found myself really missing any kind of removal, in just about all my matches. It was also hard to get a lot of tokens to set-up Selesnya Evangel, and that made it hard to stall to the late game for Jade Mage.

For this deck, I recommend adding more Triplicate Spirits since they are really not so hard to get out. It would also proc Talrand more often. The Bident was sometimes overkill, but I can see the utility.

I wonder why you run Scion of the Wilds over Seraph of the Masses. Is it to give you more cards to tap with the Evangel, or to help your early game? I found it difficult to push damage through with him. It was easier to go wide with my tokens then Bident, chump, and then attack with a significantly weaker Scion anyways.


I hope you don't mind, but I really wanted to splash red to this deck. I've tweaked it and put it into the Ink-Treader thread.

Thanks for giving me the idea to run a turbo fog deck, I just had most fun match I have had in a while. Basically I did the unthinkable and took it to a 4FFA game with no friends to help me out. 2 decks where B/G sprider/reanimator with Rune-Scarred Demons, Pelakka Wurms, Indulgent Tormentor, Nemesis of Mortals, Griselbrand, Arbor Colossus, Soul of Zendikar and even the butcher himself. The third deck was a W/G token deck that casted 3 Seraph of the Masses two of which reached well over 20+/20+, several Phantom General and what seemed like infinite amount of tokens, if that wasn't bad enough 2 of those decks managed to fully trigger a 3 beastmaster ascension. Needless to say I was in waaaaaaaaay over my head running this type of deck in a game like that. During the game my entire board consisted of just 2 Archaeomancer. LOL I repelled alpha damage so many times that one of them simply said "he is indestructible" after attacking me almost every turn. lol anyways, the board was so bloated with creatures that eventually one for the players chipped away all of the tokens from the W/G deck and managed to kill him. Clever use fogs, Quicken into Planar Cleansing and negate won me temporary alliances by making sure they survived alpha damaged. Eventually, I managed to manipulate the last two players into killing themselves. By the time there was only one player left he only had 4 cards left in his deck and basically committed seppaku with Griselbrand knowing he would get milled before getting past my fogs. Lol Hilarious, I just had to share that.

Red for Krenko's Command? or shock?
I would recommend Seraph over Scion for anyone else but me. I have terrible luck with them. I end up always with both in my hand early..most times on opening draw(yeah, I only use 2). I don't understand why this is but it's EVERY time.....screw it. it's the wiser choice, so I'm adding it.
If anything we should find a way to work fog into the deck rather than removal OR we work out safe passages and put in white removal or blue bounce.
Jade Mage tends to be the star as far as token making. She's the one you want early on. I'd been thinking of taking out 2 of the Selesnya Evangel and adding in 2 more triplicate. Let me see what I can do. Check the deck post above to see what I change.