Anyway, even at the end I was omitting stuff.
I was a comedy aligned cop with a lynch threshold of 9.

C1 I targeted Razor, because I went with the people that questioned the Divine = Mafia idea.
C2 I targeted Alt, partly for the same reason and partly on a hunch.
C3 I targeted Garren because of all the stuff that was going on with his persona.

It was the final result that also made me believe I was a normal cop since I received 3 different alignments. After that it was just figuring out how I could get all of you to jump in with me.
I would've targeted JD C4, but I'd just get another Comedy. But based on his play (and some more wiki-ing) I figured he was the 'personification' of Dante's weapon.

I wasn't tied to Dante specifically, like I said. The achievement that was mentioned in thread earlier was what I personified. My aim was to collect 60000 souls, which I did by people dying. I literally had to do nothing this game nor take anybody's side and I would have probably had the same chance of winning.

Canto 1 I targeted garren because I figured he was Lucifer and the big guy would have mad stocks of souls. Which was right. But aargh flipped divine and had the exact same number of souls, which is why I thought garren might be divine when I originally claimed. Infernos flipped lower, alt flipped similar to inferno. Comedy's, for the most part, flipped extremely low. I ended the game around 45000 and spent most of the last canto discrediting people not because he believed alt wasn't Dante, but because everything alt claimed made me 100% sure he was Dante and I needed to prolong the game.

Ah yes, that makes sense.

I just had to help dante until he reached circle 9 had I been alive I would have moved to circle 6 and lynched myself:-(
I was so close to winning too bad I played badly and alt desired bwing at the center of the attantion even if I promised him by pm that I would have joined him in a mafia chat after ge reached circle 9.

Yeah, after canto two I realized numbers was being "too nice" to me to actually believe that I was lucifer.
@numbers: I was going to kill you next canto if I survived:
1) Because I figured your wincon was tied to dead people; like if X people die you win.
2) Because you were so vehemntly arguing for my cause, I figured it would make me look better if the person fighting for me suddenly died.

Also, how annoyed were you at pretending to believe me?

@Hello World: I thought someone was messing with me lol. I thought I was being tempted by Garren (lucifer) and so I originally had no intention of going to circle 9. I also didn't know it was you who sent the post to me, I was told "spirits" or a spirit, i don't remember exactly.

I killed Aaarrrgh canto one because I found him suspicious. It wasn't until canto two that i realized I killed the person to post last, and I decided to keep that pattern so that people wouldn't be able to track killings back to me. It would also keep some people on edge about when to post.

I knew as of canto 2 that scarlet was on to me, but I couldn't justify killing him without drawing attention to myself.

Essentially, I was lying the entire game except for when I was revealing circle information.

Honestly, I should've watch the video first. That would've let me know to keep my NK ability hidden, and what I could get away with as a lucifer claim. But sadly, I didn't

Altimis, I really don't like you right now.

I also had a cop ability, and I also knew from the start who Dante and Lucifer were. Which made it stink so much more that Dante killed me first. I could have helped you, man! I could have helped you!

I could only copy people that were in my circle and if that person had multiple abilities I got one at random. First Canto I had the choice of Hello_World, Scarlet and Felbatista. I targeted Scarlet, before I knew he was in every circle. I was so surprised when I found out he had a cop ability as well. That was the one I got first. Then because everyone moved I had to keep targeting Scarlet.

Scarlet asked about the cop reveal, gave out the circle information, and was generally truthful before he found out I copied him. I'm pretty sure he figured my Canto 1 target out from my claim. Canto 2 I ended up everywhere and just copied Scarlet again.

But in Canto 3 I had the thought of what Circle do I end up in when Scarlet's ability wore off. So this Canto I took the benefit of Circle 7, tried to move down two, and my target was Garren hoping to see his abilities to clear up the atl vs garren debate. I was hoping since I was in all circles I could target anyone, except 15377. If I had done that Canto 2 instead of just contining to target Scarlet because that was who I knew was in my circle I could have had more information.



15377, I was worried that was your goal. My thought on the connection with Dante was that the more kills that happened the stronger you made Dante. I even had the brief thought that you might be Dante and Alt was your last divine when you started to question my vote for you.

Lol, In my defense, you were acting guilty, I just interpretted it incorrectly.

You also provided the fact that Dante almost died, and there was only one divine left. Which really helped.

I even placed my first vote on Lucifer, and was planning to use that as a hint for you later... But I never got a chance to do that...

Yup. I kept the charade about the 'maybe' during C2/3 because I was really doubting at the time how much I could and could not claim. I read the rules like a dozen of times to make sure I kept things as clear as possible while still being vague enough to keep living.

At that time I still was not confident enough I could come forward. I dropped a slight hint at the start of Canto 2 of course with that question, but hoped I could nudge everyone first.
In the end it still took a 'full' claim and some flavor connections thanks to Garren, but all in all I'm pretty pleased.

Poor Aaarrrgh, got ignored most of the resistance game early on because everyone thought he was a spy, then gets team killed in this game.

Yeah I misread your push on Altimis in Canto three.

When you did finally post your reads, because you were comedy I couldn't fully believe you, but I did know you were telling the truth most of the way through the game. They were one of the contributing factors to convincing me Altimis wasn't Lucifer. I still didn't know if he was Dante. At that point I was being to believe 15377 might be Dante and was trying to help his last divine helper.

Oh yeah and the reason I knew Garren was unlynchable was because if someone had a higher lynch threshold than majority (mine) my vote would count as doubled. Since my vote was single and he was past majority I knew he couldn't be lynched.

@ alt. I knew it, that's why I wrote a vague description of stoic ephemera in the first pm.
I was fearing that someone else could read my message and I think I sent you the name of that card during the "guess who" game.I would have sent you something less obscure but that was the only thing that could have got you and only you to know both who I was and that I knew who you were.

well this confirms I should probably take a break from playing mafia for a bit. had no clue what I was doing. although I have to say that claim restrictions are genuinely awful: if you have to include them to balance your game then your game has issues. especially if the restrictions are vague and unbounded.

Myself being part of that group was a mistake. That was a complete bluff on my part to try and force a vote on NeoSilk and Garren.



Sorry bud... if it helps; you're death wasn't in vain. i used it to confuse the crap out of everyone

===xxx===

This game was confusing at first, but I thought it was interesting.
I really wish I watched the video first.

I'm torn on claiming restrictions. I don't like it, but it does make for an interesting game; but it's less fun for the investigative players.

As a spectator who read the entire thread, I can say it was exciting to follow. And I kept switching which side I was rooting for. In the end, I give the MVP to seTiny for being exceptionally observant and scumhunting, and general "town-ness." Garren and 15377 were overall the most interesting to read.

I think Zinger did a great job with game design. The restriction on communication that I witnessed seemed appropriate. The mystery of which circle did what was disappointing, after Scarlet's reveal the circles seemed to matter very little.

It was killing me from the beginning when people were discussing "who is town?" It seemed obvious to me that it was inferno, and also that Lucifer would be Comedy. But I also expected Dante to be Comedy as well, so...

Claim restrictions are not actually that uncommon to be found in the online Mafia world. There's a number of places I have played that outright ban any kind of claims. It wasn't a balancing factor that made me put claim restrictions in, it was a purposeful game design decision to create a certain type of atmosphere in which some info is intentionally placed only in certain hands. I'm sorry you found it difficult to work around. My next game promises to be far less complex.