I know, Ko.

And Lord LunaEquie, lol @ your asterisks at the bottom being rendered meaningless by the filter.

I do get that there is frustration and even confusion created by filtering words. I do get that people want to just express themselves in the way they're most comfortable. I really do. I'm not saying there's no merit. But the potential for abuse outweighs the merit.

Unintelligible, but not meaningless. Unless I'm mistaken, Mods/GobOs/whatever they're called can see what words I typed behind those asterisks.

I can't ( ). Quoting your post fails too.

Maybe the actual mods can?

sounds like its time for some filter evasion

Only if they actually need me to, if they even want me to state the exact words I was talking about.

[quote=CoC] This includes "masking" language by using alternative characters/spelling /spacing to get around profanity filters or claims of profanity filter “testing."[/quote]

I was really hoping I wasn't going to have to say "I was joking" but you ruined it

good work

i'm more surprised you didn't mock my inability to use the quote tag right lol

Yes; going in to edit the post shows the words as-entered.

Stormy - your issue with the quote tag is you need to put double quotes around the "name" part.



@Lord Luna: Attention-whore may be a good example of a non-flaming use of the word, depending on context. And we could set up the filter so that "whore" is filtered by "attention-whore" isn't, but that would rely on the dash being between the two words and most people would use a space. The filter uses an "exact match" on the pattern unless you include an asterisk as a wild card. So for example, that's why the s-word is filtered, but when Ko put in "crap"sux it wasn't, because we weren't using wildcards on that word - because then real words like **** and **** would get filtered.

Your list of words you would filter left out a long list of racial and homophobic slurs, actually. To me, the hate speech and slurs are the most important to catch because allowing them doesn't reflect well on the site.

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A question in general. Is there anybody who truly believes - not "devil's argument," but believes - that if we have a filter, slut should not be in it? Because the impression I get is that the word "slut" is pretty much agreed upon as something that should go in.

In a way, "slut" is kinda in the same boat as "dick", "bitch" etc. because there are instances where you can use the word without malicious intent directed towards a particular person, or even any people at all. The best example that comes to mind is slut shaming - if someone wants to discuss the phenomenon, the thread would be littered with needless asterisks.

I've already mentioned before that I'm against having a mandatory word filter for harsh language, but if the site absolutely needs to have one, there are much more deserving and higher priority words than "slut".

I'm sure I did leave a lot out; I am really, really sheltered, so I'm not aware of a lot of connotations some words may have - as well as probably not even knowing several slurs. While not using it as an excuse, I'd like to say I wrote that while I couldn't sleep, so I'm actually thinking of several more words I could have added - now that I'm fully awake - that did not occur to me then.

Now, I don't know how the coding works, but would it be possible to set up the filter for "attention[exactly one character wildcard]whore", and would that even help if you could? Or perhaps the simpler solution for these problems would be to set up a thread like the feature request where users can ask for certain phrases to not be in the filter (though again I don't know whether it's possible to set up "not-filtered" words without a lot of work); that way for instance, whore would be filtered and someone can request "attention-whore" be allowed, and the coding allowance could be made (after a mod/group of mods weigh the benefits of the request).

I hope I'm not detracting from what you've got going on here, but I feel I do have some sort of responsibility to check in and add my voice every once in a while.

Hm... I honestly hadn't thought about that. Perhaps I should rescind my earlier statement; though it was probably far enough off-base as it is. Essentially, like 90% of the words we're talking about have constructive uses like you mentioned, so it's difficult (I imagine) to set up all the rules that would allow a computer to filter at an appropriately human level.

As long as you crack down harder on annoying people that abuse the rules I dont mind some of these curses being unfiltered. Just know ill be abusing the report tool :3

I agree. Its just so hard to have a differing opinion on these boards without getting flamed, trolled, or baited for it...

Would it be possible to set the system up so that instead of auto-filtering, it just automatically alerts a mod whenever a word on the list is used? That way, it can be dealt with efficiently on an individual basis.

I know people would just constantly use words to annoy mods and fill their emails or whatever.

No worries. I didn't really think it was intended to be an exhaustive list. But we have way more slurs in the filter than "curse" words. (And some of the slurs we added I had never heard, either. And I don't think I've lived a sheltered life...)



No, exceptions aren't possible. Whatever we add to the filter gets replaced with what we tell it, and you can't tell it, "Always replace 'whore' unless you see 'attention*whore'." (also, there isn't a single-character wildcard available - just the asterisk, which could be anything. Meaning, even if the exception existed, "attention blah blah blah blah blah blah blah you're a whore" would still go through.)

Searching for a mod to add exception functionality was brought up earlier (I think in this thread) and is on the to-do list now.



Nope, this is good discussion.



Indeed. This might need to go into the same "category" as cock and chink - not filtered, and we rely on the community to report when they're used in the negative way.



Just gonna quote Loki since his post includes Lily's.

We are working on getting to a more consistent level of moderation. It's difficult, honestly, but we're working on it. It should get better as time goes on, and I would ask that you (generic you) continue to report any post you think violates the CoC so we can look at it, use it to help the staff learn how to deal with stuff, and so forth.

We want you to be able to share a differing opinion - even if that differing opinion isn't popular - as long as you (again, generic you) do so with respect to the CoC and the poster's you're debating with.



Again, quoting one since it involves both.

I agree with Lily here; that sounds like it would be a big nuisance, to be honest. I'd rather have the filter and rely on the community to report the few times the filter is ineffective. Similarly, if there is a filtered word that somebody thinks has a legit use, I would prefer to keep it filtered and have the community member send a PM to either me or Alth asking for an exception to the "don't bypass the filters" rule.

...I really don't understand why language is off the table but heinous beliefs are ok as long as people don't use slurs. That's straight up incoherent nonsense.

Because it's harder to quantify, I imagine.

With regards to the words themselves, there is a system in place that allows automatic, hands-free removal of what the community decides is something to avoid.

With regards to beliefs, I don't think you can really objectively judge someone else's entire mindset. Even sociopaths have to be measured in regards to the damage they can do to the larger aggregate of humans. There will always be someone who's subjective viewpoint differs from your own, so you can't just outright block points of speech. That's the entire reason why politics and religion are down in the CoC as "something that will be watched very closely."


As a personal aside, I know what point your actually getting at and I mostly agree. However, I still stand by my argument that opinions cannot be judged objectively.

ouch

I wouldn't do that though since I like about 50% of the mods