Altimis, I want to test something. Could you Unvote please?

Vote: razorborne

This is false...
Scarlet is on the same level as me, and our circle, anger, has an ability related to voting those who vote you.
NeoSilk had an extra vote because he voted me; as such, my circle gave me an extra vote against him when/if I voted him. that is also why when he moved his vote away from me, the extra vote went away.
Scarlet, who hasn't yet claimed is part of my circle.

You claim to be on circle six, so you are lying about one of the following things:
1) That you are on circle six.
2) That Scarlet is in the same circle as you.

If you are lying about being on circle six would be the best for you, because I could buy that we don't know everyone in our circle; but seeing as I know that scarlet is in my circle and you are in circle six (and I'm not), then I know you are lying.

Now, at least for me, you have some big ground to cover before I trust you. That's not saying that you are "the" bad guy, but I know that you are lying so that's as good a start as any.

Not exactly psuedo-edit:
Gotcha covered

Ugh... there goes the thinking before posting.
Okay Unvote: Razorborne
Proves me right for not finishing the thread before posting...

We need to figure out what's going on with Scarlet... I see that someone mentioned the possibility that it could be Lucifer; but would Lucifer's ability really be "You're in all circles?" I think his ability would be more sinister than that, though that's outguess the mod more than anything.

I would say Scarlet is one of the Comedies. It's either that or he has a REALLY wonky ability.

I can confirm razorborne is in my circle and Scar is showing as in my circle. I thought I said that already? If not my bad.

You did.
Also, seeing as now I'm not spamming thread (because someone posted before me!), NeoSilk's 3rd vote should've gone away when he unvoted me. Seeing that it didn't, I would guess that there are two secret voters; or voting backlash.

One thing I want to try is to see what happens when everyone votes themselves (which I see a lot of peole doing already). This will let us know what some of these numbers mean, and should prevent voting backlash? (That last one is a maybe).

Vote: altimis

Just to add to the discussion Scarlet is also on my circle. At this point I'd say it's part of their role that makes them appear everywhere at once. Probably makes them comedy or divinely aligned would be my guess.

ok, I think we've established that Scarlet is on all nine levels. I'm just gonna wait til he comes by to explain.

also, altimis, while I realize that you hadn't finished reading the thread at that point, do you really think I'd lie about something so easily falsifiable? considering we know that everyone knows their circlemates, I would've had to have claimed, knowing that not only could Scarlet counterclaim and prove me wrong, but also everyone else on the circle he was on could've supported him. and for what? what would I gain from that lie?

Yes, I am on all circles, no I am not Lucifer.

My ability is to know the circles, and I can choose which benefit or drawback to apply to myself, but as a negative, I get no information about who is in which circle.
I am also restricted in the form that I may not share all the circle-information.

When people started circle-claiming I expected this to pop up quite soon, so I am not going to fight this as much as I'd usually do regarding an early claim. People that know my playstyle, know I tend to claim really late and am usually opposed to claims, but there's no point in hiding this which is pretty easily figured out, like it has been.

I can dream can't I?
It was an oversight on my part. I saw something that didn't click and jumped on it without taking in the context.
I'm trying to be more honest and less tricksy (hopefully to the benefit of the good guys), so whenever I can state a fact I'll try to.

I won't start laying traps until we figure out what exactly is going on.

Not knowing if I'm a good guy or a bad guy is making me feel lazy.

I'm in the same circle as se_tiny.

Unvote;
Vote: storyteller

Testing if players in my circle get the votes they made increased by half a vote or get the votes against them increased by that amount,it's not my role, so unless is a strange way to make se_tiny hated or some other player with a weird role this should help us understanding what that half vote means.

But seriously people, am I the only one reading the flavor as a mafia game?

Inferno aligned = 'town'
Divine aligned = 'scum'
Comedy = 'self' (can be bad, can be...well...neutral)

The only thing that is different here is the wincon. But even that could theoretically be subverted by having Dante be an Emperor Croc kind of don and Lucifer being protected by stuff until numbers start dwindling or key characters get taken out.

Can confirm Hello_world is in my circle. I'm thinking that being in greed gets you an extra 50% vote, but it'll be good to find out for sure.

It does seem more likely that the Divine dudes have the "mafia" role this game.
But since there's no night phase.... mmm. Wonder what happens at the end of a canto.

yeah but that's an awful lot of supposition.

The last part perhaps, but I think it's pretty damn hard to deny the first part.

maybe? it's still unclear to me that Divine and Inferno aren't evenly split. I think it's likely Inferno outnumbers Divine, but by how much I have no idea. and since there's also no NK, if they're even then there's really nothing differentiating them as scum and town.

Not really. That's exactly how I read it too.

Standard Mafia game premise: Small band infiltrates bigger group. Struggle ensues to achieve an end.

This game: Small band infiltrates bigger group. Struggle ensues to achieve an end.

To which you argue that the win cons are different. To which I say, "So what?" There's a slew of variants I can throw at you where the win con isn't standard (cult being the biggest) because when it is all said and done, any win con comes down to: Eliminate any threat to your alignment. There are different means this has to be gone about, depending on the situation of the game, but that's figure out as the game reveals itself.

To which you argue there's no night phase. To which I say, "So what?" Night phases are there simply to structure a game. This game's structure is different, but that doesn't mean it can't have the same aspects. I would say expect there to be day kills, cop variants, doc variants, etc, etc, etc. It's a simple matter of adjusting these roles to the canto system.

When it boils down to it, there's no reason to assume anything simply because you're labeling inferno as town and divine as mafia. It doesn't change the fact that we pretty much have already been told that divine has smaller numbers, so they are likely to hide themselves under the guise of inferno, much the way mafia would with town.

It's a dangerous game to assume this game functions one way or the other. It is not dangerous to draw similarities between this and past games (especially past zinger) games to attempt to deduce how this game is going to play out. For example, my role pm includes a lynch threshold. In Maximum Carnage (the game Zinger first introduced his threshold method, iirc), players Zinger wanted to keep alive for awhile had awkward to reach thresholds. So while it was possible to see them die day 1, for example, it was unlikely. Such is probably the case with Dante and Lucifer.

Just a quick one today (been a busy day). I can confirm that Alt is telling the truth about what circle he's in, based on the voting results.
I'm voting for Razor since it seemed (to me at least) that he had a negative effect, since he had an extra vote on him after he voted. My assumption there is that he's divine aligned, since I'm assuming those inferno aligned get benefits from the circles, and those non-inferno aligned get penalties.

I could be way off, and, it could not even really matter...but, it's D1, so that's all I've got for now.

I also feel like I have to believe Scar, since he's in my level as well....so, that makes sense, although, flavor-wise, he could be Lucifer, since one would think that Lucifer would know what happens in each of the circles.

I agree with numbers, who cares how regualr mafia games work?

We all have a win condition, our goal is to reach it before the other team reaches theirs.
All numbers/percentages/statistics are essentially irrelevant unless you have the unfortunate win con of eliminating another team entirely.

As for "flavor", the best way i can think to describe it is each team essentially has the task of get in; get out. They want one thing and then they're done.

@NeoSilk: I gather the exact opposite solely because, that's a hugely suspicious ability right off the bat, and fairly anti-climatic for that kind of role. I'm sure he knows, but I don't think he physically has to be there to know.
One thing that could be interesting could be that he knows everyones roles / alignment. But, because the teams aren't allowed to communicate BTS, he can't easily lead a wagon on those players.
He could be a roleblocker, a cultist... who knows? I just really don't think it's him in all nine levels.