Hey, I said I was open to moving Life into White, though admittedly... you're gonna have to convince me considering it feels strange.
Also, you keep leaving out "The World" as being the U/G overtitle. At the very least though, we've made progress of qualifying "Time" as a thing.

They were not populated yet, no, but at the point the gods were meditating to establish roles, you have to remember that they had knowledge of the world before. That was part of what was driving their meditation after all.

When they actually got to populating the world, I have an interesting story for that that leads to the rise of the different races. Suffice to say, it plays a bit on the Persistence of Memory.


I could see it, but I'd like to get some other opinions on the matter.

Eh, there are a few animals that I can name that are pretty blatantly cruel just for the giggles of it. Mostly marine predators...

And I also said "Might" as a way to specify that it could be viewed in that light.
I could see that, and the concept works pretty interestingly for me. I think we'd want a better title pair, like "Solitude" and... something, rather than Introversion/Extroversion, but it makes for an interesting dichotomy to build with.
Personally, I'm kind of leaning towards this pair right now, but I'd want to know what everyone else thought.

The problem I have with "The World" being the blue/green overtitle is that it's at once too concrete and too broad. Each of these concept pairs we're trying to come up with are supposed to be an aspect of the world, something that can be applied to a plane as a whole if not taken directly to the Earth and Universe in which we live. I've been leaving "The World" out on purpose because I don't believe it fits as worded.

Which is also why I don't particularly like Thought/Instinct as the dichotomy for blue/green. Even discounting non-living things, there would be too much that falls under instinct alone. At least Life/Death can apply to all life as well as be extended abstractly to the creation and destruction of anything else.

I can't accept your argument of cruel animals either, because they represent a very, very small minority when compared to all animals.

I'm open to suggestions for a better phrase for it then.

Why do you think this is a problem? Nobody said that they had to be the same measurement to be balanced. Take into consideration the fact that humanity is by far the dominant species on the world, and compare it to the vast number of all the other species. In comparison, we are a fraction of the total life on earth, but it's our planet for all intents and purposes.
There isn't a 50/50 split between any of the other concepts, I don't see where there has to be here.

And once again, I'm open to other suggestions, but I want this to be the dichotomy between wilderness and civilization.

How would you feel about the concepts of Mental and Physical being used for blue and green?

I like the idea, but I'm not sure mental is the way I'd go. Conceptual? Abstract? Something like that.

I feel like there's a certain threshhold of instant recognition in the pairings.
I had considered "Spiritual" and Physical, but that was REALLY misleading since that completely whiffed with the amount of baggage that came with "spiritual."
Mental has some baggage of its own, but doing something like "abstract" doesn't line up immediately in the mind, even if it is closer to the concept.

Fair enough. In that case, I think Mental works well enough.

We'll see what the others chime in with.

Y'know, one of my constant and unbearable fears is that I'll unintentionally kill the interest in one of my projects before it ever really gets started.

Prime example of what I was talking about!
Anyways, I am reviving this so that we can get the ball rolling again.
If need be, we can move on to phase 2, though naturally, it's going to be less coherent if we haven't gotten phase 1 sorted already.

Well, where are we with phase 1?

... Not much further than we were when we started.
We've nailed down the overtitle for the three color combos we've got and we've changed out thought/instinct for mental/physical, but we're still down the w/b and r/u, though the r/u has a very very strong lead that I'm waiting for other people to chime in on.

Solitude/Connection for U/R?

For the record, I suddenly found a supreme lack of time the last few days and had to recognize my priorities.

Nah, nobody blames you there. I just expected some other discussion from people while you were busy, but... well, it looks like you were one of the busiest in it, so...
But still, you had excellent reasons for prioritizing.

I mean I'm obviously in favor of Solitude/[maybe something better than Connection] for r/u.

I'm still also in favor of Indulgence/Denial for W/B, personally.

Well, in fairness, I only suggested connection because it is the opposite of solitude and I wasn't thrilled with what came attached to it in the first suggestion. I'm open to hearing alternatives since it was basically a placeholder.

I like the concept, but I just have a harder time attaching it to the conceptual state, or cosmic state.

These are difficult concepts to grasp, because most of them carry their own unique set of complications. For something like the Solitude dynamic, we could go with something like singularity/plurality, though that doesn't exactly roll trippingly off the tongue.

One thing to think about is that the gods themselves probably have some initial understanding of something like loneliness and curiosity, since those are their defining character points thus far. It's possible we could do something with one or both of those.

Yeah, that's a huge problem, because they have to be deceptively simple concepts to make that immediate connection. Singularity/Plurality is simple, but it doesn't connect as soon as you look at it.

Loneliness, probably not. More like... a lack they cannot put words to. It isn't loneliness, so much as an emptiness they know should be filled.
Curiosity is driving them to figure out what that lack is.

I mean, going back to a very early suggestion, we have Void/????? which could still work, but finding the other half of that equation is the problem.
Same with Solitude.

Well, what about Creation as an opposite of Void? Creation can be used as a noun, after all, sort of like "Throughout all creation," so they could be viewed as binary. And in that sense, a Creation/Void deity could be a pretty important figure, even amongst the gods themselves.

Conceptually it certainly works, but I just sort of waffle on it, mostly because of the instant attachment the mind makes to the verb tense.
But I'm not going to be the sole weight on the matter, so until we get some other opinions, I'll just hang back.

Also, it has been too long since we've done colors so here's some colors!

I wonder if there's a non-english word that is the opposite of solitude...

Because there sure as balls isn't an english word that works.