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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:24 pm 
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Oh, hey, it's open. And this, kids, is why you save posts before posting.
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On the flip side it's been explained why we need to avoid it.
No it hasn't.

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Because I didn't feel like it and felt I didn't have the time to continue it at that moment. I wanted to make my post without taking more time so that I could get a shower.
Okay. Go into them now.


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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:34 am 
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Hm, besides the consistency question, which still hasn't been answered to my satisfaction, I think most of what I had to say is probably better said in the thread on the goals of the forum... I think...

Man, I can see why you guys don't split threads often. This is confusing. It's an impressive tool but damn, what a headache. [sends sympathy vibes @ mods]


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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:43 am 
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KeeperofManyNames wrote:
Man, I can see why you guys don't split threads often. This is confusing. It's an impressive tool but damn, what a headache. [sends sympathy vibes @ mods]
It's also a pain in the neck to perform. Not overly difficult to perform once you're familiar with the tools, but keeping things straight is quite hard.

This one was tougher than normal since I also had to jump through a bunch of hoops to make sure that posts that touched on both subjects were duplicated and edited...ugh.

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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:10 am 
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I really hope I never have to use this power to organize the M:EM Archive...

Oh wait I can just get Lord Luna to do it if it looks too daunting and baffling! BWAHAHAHA


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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:21 am 
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So, on the original question, here's my thoughts. I'm not speaking for the entire mod team here - just me. And please forgive any typos - my employer's firewall blocks the site so I have to use my phone...

Bitch should be left unfiltered, much like "chink" currently is, because while it most definitely can be used as an insult it also has non- insult uses. Mods will treat this word like they treat chink, dick, dyke, etc

Slut and Whore should be added to the filter. While there may be other uses, those other uses are rare and usually still rely on the "main" definition anyway.

One of Keeper's recent posts is what changed my mind, but finding it to quote on my phone is too difficult for me. Opinions are still welcome, of course.

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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:24 am 
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I don't think any of those words should be added to the filter

I could deal with slut being added, but I'd really like to be able to use that word ironically should the need arise


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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:26 am 
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If Mean Girls can deal with such grossly explicit language, I think we can, too.

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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:53 am 
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GobO_Stormageddon wrote:
IMO if you're using those words then to me your vocab is already limited


Swearing is a really important part of one's life. It would be impossible to imagine going through life without swearing and without enjoying swearing... There used to be mad, silly, prissy people who used to say swearing was a sign of a poor vocabulary -such utter nonsense. The people I know who swear the most tend to have the widest vocabularies and the kind of person who says swearing is a sign of a poor vocabulary usually have a pretty poor vocabulary themselves... The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is in any way a sign of a lack of education or a lack of verbal interest or -is just a **** lunatic... I haven't met anybody who's truly shocked at swearing, really, they're only shocked on behalf of other people. Well, you know, that's preposterous... or they say 'it's not necessary'. As if that should stop one doing it! It's not necessary to have coloured socks, it's not necessary for this cushion to be here, but is anyone going to write in and say 'I was shocked to see that cushion there, it really wasn't necessary'? No, things not being necessary is what makes life interesting -the little extras in life. - stephen fry

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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:56 am 
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If Mean Girls can deal with such grossly explicit language, I think we can, too.


Nah.

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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:35 pm 
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I think the only people who get butthurt about swearing are the ones who seem to find themselves superior for not doing so. Seriously, swearing does not limit your vocabulary. Swear words are more like sentence enhancers than anything. They add spice. It's not good to put spice on every food, but for some foods, you need spice. Ya feel me?

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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:47 pm 
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I'd rather not feel you, but thanks for offering. ;)

I've said before: I can - and often do - swear like a drunken pirate with Tourrette's Syndrome. So I'm personally certainly not against swearing. And I like your analogy to spices, to be honest. That said, I also don't generally need to swear in order to discuss games.

We have very few curse words in the filter. Almost everything that's in the filter are racial or sexual-orientation slurs. For that reason, the filter isn't going to go away. But it will evolve over time. There's always a chance that at some point somebody makes a really good argument in favor of taking **** or **** out of the filter. But for now, that's staying. I'd really prefer to focus on whether or not we need to include "slut" and / or "whore" just as we've included the whole gaggle of slurs already.

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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:49 pm 
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GobO_Fire wrote:
We have very few curse words in the filter. Almost everything that's in the filter are racial or sexual-orientation slurs. For that reason, the filter isn't going to go away. But it will evolve over time. There's always a chance that at some point somebody makes a really good argument in favor of taking #$%! or **** out of the filter. But for now, that's staying. I'd really prefer to focus on whether or not we need to include "slut" and / or "whore" just as we've included the whole gaggle of slurs already.


well I'd say that keeperof[amount]boards' post in the mission statement thread was a pretty good reason


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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:54 pm 
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I don't think slut or whore should go into the filter. They're only really offensive if you point them at someone; but then again, that's the case with any flame (idiot, retard, etc), and those aren't in the filter.

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Suddenly she stood there close to me, a woman too grotesque to even be
I felt quite dim but I was still aware, that I was too drunk to see or care
I said "Baby, metal is what I need; not some bloody ***** to feed"
She looked at me with stupid eyes, then I gave her my advice

"Piss off, I'm drinking! Piss off, or die!
Piss off, I'm drinking! Piss off, or die!"


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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:01 pm 
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Penny Arcade had the solution on their forums that the only insult that could be used is "silly goose." Anything else and they'd get warnings and or get banned. I'm not saying we should do that here, but it was a pretty creative and funny solution, and even if people kept trying to flame all they could say is: "STFU you silly goose!"

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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:02 pm 
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yeah that is pretty stupid


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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:22 pm 
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This would solve the attitude problem with a large number of people too.

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 Post subject: Re: slur question
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But it's stupid.

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Gehennah, true kings of poseur-slaying wrote:
Suddenly she stood there close to me, a woman too grotesque to even be
I felt quite dim but I was still aware, that I was too drunk to see or care
I said "Baby, metal is what I need; not some bloody ***** to feed"
She looked at me with stupid eyes, then I gave her my advice

"Piss off, I'm drinking! Piss off, or die!
Piss off, I'm drinking! Piss off, or die!"


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 Post subject: Re: slur question
PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:31 pm 
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You see, I find this funny, because the more I read about this discussion both around the old and this forum, the more I think the pro-swearing group is the more anal one.
Cool. You're wrong.
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The people more familiar with how the internet works may agree that almost all slurs are pretty normal and that context is key (that's always been my view about it), it works a bit differently if you want to reach a younger audience as well. Now you have to think about parents as well. And like it or not (I don't), a lot of parents are getting extremely paranoid if there is even a word of slur somewhere, regardless of context.
Yes, some parents are paranoid, impossible to please, and won't like this forum regardless. Some people also think the UN is sponsoring Gaia worship to undermine everyone's self-esteem in a convoluted attempt to take over the world. I fail to see why either viewpoint matters.
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A forum is (almost) never a full-on democracy, and this topic in particular is just a choice the admin(s) has/have to make by looking at the target audience.
And I fail to see what that has to do with what should be.


I'd like a link to the group that believes the bolded part...

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 Post subject: Re: slur question
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Eight seconds of Googling turned up these crackpots, which fit the description fairly well.

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 Post subject: Re: slur question
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Back to the topic now :ontopic: :chairhit:

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