Joined: Sep 22, 2013 Posts: 5700 Location: Inside my own head
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jedi8187 wrote:
Too strict in what way?
The rules have always felt like an after thought really, we never spent much time worrying about the letter of the law so I guess I never really noticed.
Basically, what Ruwin said. I say "too strict" because the written rules didn't actually reflect how we evolved around them (and we are a pretty easy-going bunch).
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Give me an hour to look over those newly proposed voting rules & compare to the old ones, then I'll give some feedback.
Joined: Sep 22, 2013 Posts: 5700 Location: Inside my own head
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Okay, I've given it a once-over and here's what I come up with for the voting rules.
Voting Rules
Any poster that has a work in the archive is considered a full M:EMber and has the ability to both vote in and create voting threads for different works and initiatives. Non-voting M:EMbers may request a work be put up for vote in the [link]Vote Request Thread[/link].
Votes pass by simple majority of Yea votes over Nay and Not As Is votes. In the event of a tie the vote passes or fails according to which way the M:EMperor voted.
Not As Is votes are Nay votes that can be changed to Yea votes when the author meets certain criteria, to be listed by the voter.
Authors of works should abstain from voting for their own submissions. However, works created collaboratively by a majority of voting M:EMbers are automatically considered to be endorsed by those M:EMbers, and the piece can be entered in the Archives without a vote if those working on it decide by a majority that the project is finished.
A voting thread should include the following information: 1) Title of the project 2) List of authors involved 3) A link to or copy of project 4) Note(s) on status of project, should it be accepted (Public, Private, etc.) 5) A title with the [Voting] tag, as well as at least one other appropriate tag to identify the project. Such tags can be [Plane], [Character], [Planeswalker], [Story], [Poetry], etc., as well as what character or plane a story ties in to.
List of Current Voting M:EMbers Barinellos Aaarrrgh Arbitracious ArcadesSabboth BeastEngine DavFlamerock digitalsurrealist Gamma-Mage Icedragon769 Its_Always_42 Lord LunaEquie is me (current M:EM Archivist) jedi123 jedi8187 KeeperofManyNames Monoredburn RavenoftheBlack Ruwinreborn Skibo_the_first Tevish_Szat Thrull_Champion Trolljuju VorthosianLoreWeaver Yanmato1 Yxoque (Current M:EMperor)
I marked everyone whom I think is missing, though one or two of them have been seen within the last few months (icedragon has a new username on the mothership, Yanmato stopped by for a brief stint before the apocalypse, and I know I saw a flash of VLW at one point).
What's currently undecided are the re-submission guidelines and vote closing guidelines.
To my recollection, we've had maybe one or two works that were re-submitted months after the fact and after some work by the author(s); but we do need to have a word or two about re-submission, if only to make it clear that things can indeed be submitted more than once (so long as they are worked on).
I'll address the weekly vote thing in another post, just to be able to get this one up.
Oh, and here are the old Voting Rules, to show how different they are:
Old Rules
Welcome to the Voting thread, where the members of the M:EM vote on matters of what to include or remove from the canon.
When in this forum please abide by the following rules:
1) Only the Speaker, the Overlord, and those given permission by the Overlord may make voting threads in this forum. Any thread created by anyone else will be deleted. If you want to bring a matter up for a vote, put it in the voting request thread, and the Speaker will bring it up to vote at his or her own descretion.
2) Voting is based on the tally method. Voters are expected to copy the previous tally and make their declarations clear.
3) Voters can vote, Yay, Nay, Abstain, Present, or Not as is.
Yay is a vote in favor of the matter.
Nay is a vote against the matter.
Present is a vote of neutrality.
A vote of “not as is” must be accompanied by a list of changes. Only after these changes are made does your vote become Yay.
An Author of a work must abstain from voting.
4) Anyone who is listed as an author on a work must abstain from voting to prevent conflict of interest. Those who helped with the project, but not enough to be considered an author may vote how they wish.
5) In order for a project to be a valid vote the following information is needed: The name of the project with appropriate voting tag (see bottom). A full list of authors. A link to the work, or a copy of the work if it's short enough. A note on what it's status will be if accepted if it isn't public (all works are assumed to be public unless stated otherwise)
6) Voting threads will be closed after three days or more of in-activity at the discretion of the Speaker. Threads may also be closed if it has been three days since a vote was made in that thread. Only the Speaker may call an end to voting.
7) For a work to come up for voting, a majority of its authors must agree that the work is up to Magic: Extended Multiverse standards and that they would accept it into canon if able to vote for it. If a minority of authors do not agree, they are still listed, but are allowed to vote not as is in the vote. (Place the desenters last, and make a note of them)
8) If a voting majority are listed as non-desenting authors on a work, that work is automatically accepted into canon.
9) In case of a tie between Yays and Nays, the Overlord's vote will be used as a tie breaker. If the work had any votes of Not as is, this rule is ignored.
10) A work that fails to become accepted can be resubmmited for voting a week after it's voting thread closes.
11) When a person resubmits a work for voting, it must be accompanied by a list of changes made to the work. The changes must be substantial enough to warrant a revote. Unaltered work won't be voted on. Because of this only the Speaker can create threads for resubmitted work.
* Voting tags are the tags inside [] on the title of voting threads. The most common ones are [Planar vote], [Prose vote] [Peotry vote], [Character vote], [Art vote].... use the most appropriate one you can find. Also if the work pretains to an already establisihed plane or character, you can add a tag for that in the title, but it's not nessisary
Joined: Sep 22, 2013 Posts: 5700 Location: Inside my own head
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You know, that brings up a good point. Should we add a line like this:
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While we welcome any voting M:EMbers back from long absences, should a voting M:EMber not be actively a part of the M:EM boards for more than 3 months, they will not be counted when considering majority.
Oh yeah, I was supposed to address the weekly vote thing.
I'm a little leery about having votes only last a week, especially when we have longer projects/works like the 48-pager Fisco Vane Goes to Jakkard. I think, if we have weekly voting threads going up Mondays (or whatever arbitrary day we decide), I can get behind the reminder pms, but I would like to implement it as so:
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Works submitted for a vote into the Archives are posted on the following Monday*, and a reminder pm will be sent out by the M:EM Archivist to voting M:EMbers that a project is up for vote. Voting threads are left open for one week. After 7 days of no activity, it will be reviewed for status; the M:EM Archivist may decide to extend the voting time if not enough votes have been cast.
*I would think starting it on the weekend would be best, personally.
Since I'm the official Archivist the voting threads should fall to me (without a Speaker) or Yxoque, so I worded that in a way that makes me comfortable.
I like the three months of inactivity rule, although it sounds like a pain to keep track of. It's a whole lot better than just dropping the people that haven't been around for a while, which I've never really been comfortable with, even though a lot of these folks are probably gone for good (VLW; Trolljuju; Skibo...)
That... really is a lot of strikethroughs though We've lost a lot of good people over the years. Hell, monored was only just getting started with us, and I have no idea what happened to him. A lot of these folks just sort of disappeared...
Well, I think I've mentioned before that I was quite active on the WotC boards back in 07-08, and then life happened and I just slipped away. I'm living proof that people who vanish from the boards without an explanation can come back! Although I hope some of those guys will keep their absence shorter than the three years I was offline...
Now that this poll is officially over, it's time to congratulate Aaarrrgh for designing Hill, which has been decided by popular vote to be the Card of the Month for October 2013!
Joined: Sep 22, 2013 Posts: 5700 Location: Inside my own head
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Aaand new information:
Thrull Champion wrote:
I've looked, the only complete English digital I've ever been able to find is the Homelands comic, which I'm happy with because that is my favorite, but I'd like to find the Shadowmage and a few of the standalone comics (I've heard Fallen Angel is by far the worst).
Thrull Champion is indeed alive and on these new boards! I'll see if he's still interested in the M:EM soon; right now I need to recover from a day full of water, mud, brick, and awkward positioning.
Oh, and what do people think about my rewording of the vote-closing rule?
I like the proposed wording. As I said before, I was concerned about votes closing before people enough people had voted, but you created a backdoor for that, so I'm in favor.
Now that this poll is officially over, it's time to congratulate Aaarrrgh for designing Hill, which has been decided by popular vote to be the Card of the Month for October 2013!
Now that this poll is officially over, it's time to congratulate Aaarrrgh for designing Hill, which has been decided by popular vote to be the Card of the Month for October 2013!
Now that this poll is officially over, it's time to congratulate Aaarrrgh for designing Hill, which has been decided by popular vote to be the Card of the Month for October 2013!
Part of the problem I was having (I was testing before making the Ikass thread) was that I had been missing a final /spoiler tag; it seems if you miss any it breaks a whole post's worth.
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