Uganda is nice this time of year

It's not a sign of a thriving democracy... said about, at minimum, the second most powerful economy on the planet (after only Europe, if you take it as a whole), with the most powerful military on the planet. Yeah, dude... we're basically Uganda. It's one thing to claim the US system is imperfect... fine, granted... it's still pretty damn good.

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The issue is that the popular vote discussion is based on a total lie; it's a fantasy.

There's no such thing as winning the popular vote. That's a meaningless metric, and every honest person in the US knows it. Dishonest Americans try to pretend like it matters... it doesn't (Cucho, you've been deceived by **** peddlers). The candidates know what they have to do to win, they all face the same election rules, it's a fair and level playing field, and they either succeed or they fail. When they fail, Democrats like to pretend that this other metric - which doesn't matter at all - is somehow meaningful. You aren't trying to win the popular vote, you are trying to win a majority of the electors. So unless you won the popular vote in a sufficient number of STATES, you lost. Adding up all of the population might mask your failure, but it's still a failure.

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Put another way: Nobody cares if you took first place in the race you weren't running. That's like running the 100 meter dash backwards and claiming you took first place in a 300 meter race. It's disingenuous as all hell to even report those numbers, because they don't matter at all. If a test requires you to calculate 2+3 and you answer 6, nobody is going to care that you did your multiplication correctly on an addition problem.

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The only exception would be if a candidate won the popular vote in all states (or enough states to have a majority of the electoral votes), and somehow still lost. That of course has never happened, and probably never will. (well, okay, some people claim Gore V. Bush, but I'm not sure I believe it... it was certainly close. By comparison, Hillary's loss in 16 was NOT close.)

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p.s.: his vote probably will NOT make an impact on this Presidential election, he's right. Which is why he's, IMO, rightly concerned with the things that do matter: local politics, policy choices that are on the ballot, etc. And btw, by not voting for Kamala, he's doing me a favor. I think Texas might be in play, this year - it's a long shot, but not impossible. So I had NO choice but to hold my nose and vote for the Democrat's generally poor candidate... AGAIN. I like that some Californians will not vote for her, hopefully the Democrats get the message without losing to that ****, Donal Trump.

So in a way Cucho, you’ve got it all backwards. Unlike Timh and Sixty, I’m the one who is not really being allowed to vote his conscience. I’d much rather voice my displeasure with the Democrats, but unfortunately, this election I can’t.

And to be clear, this all due to Ted Cruz’s potential weakness this election. A lot of Texans want him out, and that fact might put Harris in play as a side effect.

So basically, Harris is getting my **** Ted Cruz vote.

Note… it’s still about local politics, even for me.

I encourage you to look past any partisan angles in this discussion. My intention isn’t to suggest that anyone is "deceived"; my arguments stand on their own, based on facts, regardless of individual opinions. I also think it’s fair to draw comparisons between countries like the US and Uganda since, fundamentally, they are both countries—making them comparable in terms of broad principles like electoral systems. (Didn't you get the memo)

Moreover, this issue isn’t new. Sixty has pointed out that certain votes weigh significantly more than others depending on the state not so long ago. To say that the US’s success is purely due to the democratic process, especially the Electoral College, overlooks complex historical and socioeconomic factors. Factors like slavery, warfare, economic freedom, rich natural resources, migration, and ideals have been more central to the country's growth than the nuances of the electoral system.

In essence, my point isn’t extreme; I’m simply noting that disenfranchisement exists, as evidenced by Timh and Sixty feeling that their votes are undervalued. What this might lead to is speculative, but the perception itself questions whether the electoral system upholds the democratic principle of vote equality.

Bull ****. There is no system that exists nor will ever exist that will keep 100% of the population thinking their vote matters. If you know of one, please present your ideas and stop with the "if we all just sat down and talked we'd find the solution."

It's easy to point out a problem. It's really **** hard to come up with a solution.

Anyone that votes for a loser (Potentially 49% of the population in a Populat Vote election) will feel like their vote did not matter. "Why do I keep voting? The pres I want and the laws I requested all lost. All of my votes were pointless."

Besides; who are you speaking for? The Republicans in California who got Reagan/Bush/Bush/Trump as presidents, or the Democrats in Texas who got Clinton/Obama/Biden as their presidents. Because, while my vote for president may only count every 1 out of 2 elections, its not like I'm living my life under tyranny from a govt that I can't elect my way out of. I don't live in Russia

Its not like your vote does not matter if you lose... is that you dont even care to vote.
I presented an idea of a solution.

Say in Texas things go 70% red and 30% Blue, then instead of winner takes all votes, you divide the electoral colleges votes.

You get so jumpy guys... chill.

yeah some states are winner takes all, other ones get divided. obviously divided is much better. You can't divide the president tho, although he/she is supposed to represent all Americans at all times. That's just the executive branch though. i'm guessing the legislative is the most important but unfortunately often the least effective

And I pointed out that for some they still won't care enough to vote. There is no cure for apathy.

I thought dividing the president was DJs attempt for sarcasm, what do you mean, I'm curious now.

I didn't even see DJ say it. What do you mean? I'm saying that you can't divide a single human being to be representative of the vote result. It's winner take all.

Oh luls yeah obviously.
I mean electoral college votes can get divided, intead of choping the elected president and assembling parts from the other candidate.

i'm not against trying that once

Oh but what about pronoumns in the current election half Kamala half Trump, that alone could kickstart the next civil war.

yeah but at least it would be a good reason to go to civil war and not some nonsense like abolishing your country's largest financial asset

ROFL

Frankenstein's candidate

Is this fake news or are they really burning ballot boxes? The two I saw just looked like someone taped a flare to the side of the box but didn't really do any damage beyond a scorch mark.

lol, cucho… If you don’t get why I compared the EU Presidency to the US, I can’t help you. We are talking about two international powerhouses with extremely similar needs, goals, and populations. Even the numbers of independent states are similar.

Anyway, you keep throwing inapplicable words at this discussion. Nobody is disenfranchised in the US because of the Electoral College. That’s complete and utter BS.

And as for why the US is an economic powerhouse, it’s certainly highly related to our democracy. You can talk nonsense about our past and inherent advantages, but we’ve outperformed many countries with those same advantages, including England who set us in motion in the first place (let alone France or Spain). Nobody said it was all because of our government, but minimizing the impact of our democracy and for that matter culture is just silly.

I find the slave thing particularly grating, btw. The south has lagged the rest of the county - it’s the main reason the US does poorly across many statistics - cross the border from Texas into Louisiana sometime, you might learn something. Listening to people like you, I’d expect the South to be the richest place on earth, when in fact the best, most prosperous areas of the US are mostly the regions that never had slavery.

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@sixty, I think it’s real. Not sure though, my source for the information is a leftist idiot I’ve known since high school.

It’s definitely being reported by multiple sources, I just checked.

Seem to me you are incapable if critical thinking and objetity when it comes to the US.

WHA BOW ME