Yeah, what's great about Rambo that NONE of these other revenge movies seem to understand is that the ex-military guys don't WANT to kill anymore, they don't want to get violent, even though the people around them are giving them EVERY excuse to get violent.

In all the revenge movies, they just immediately get violent as the first response. But Rambo was good cuz he held back even though he could snap that fat cop's neck like a chicken any time he wanted to.

From what I've seen of this trailer, it looks like the guy really wants to just hold back even though these cops are being AWFUL

Yeah, you really need the double tension: 1) from the antagonists, and the threats the are putting on the hero, and 2) with the hero's own wish to solve things with something other than violence.

A movie can be good without that double tension, but it seems like the best movies tick both boxes.

RIP

Congrats Barno, now you can afford that reconstructive surgery, for your bum.

already looking into it

"Can you add a 2nd hole so I can poop a DNA helix?"


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I think I might actually watch the debate tonight

https://www.change.org/p/help-de-canonize-the-acolyte 23k

lol, i signed it. That's actually a LOT of signatures for such a strange request.


btw, before DJ says it, people will assume me (or anyone) signing it means we're anti-asian or anti-DEI or something, lol.


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It’s crazy that Rebel Ridge came out at the same time as this Tyreek Hill story cuz it’s all about escalation from the police.

I liked the movie but it’s a really slow boil (which I like) and discomfort at police continuously abusing the power dynamic

I think Tyreek just needed to roll his window down and not complained about the cop knocking on his window. That simple act would have probably started the interaction off a lot differently.

My kids know to roll their windows down as soon as pulled over. Cops get real paranoid about not being able to see what people are doing behind tinted windows.

I agree that rolling down your window is your best first action

But it’s not even relevant because not rolling down your window shouldn’t lead to use of force. In fact nothing in the exchange warrants use of force. He’s allowed to ask the officer to not tap on the window (the officer can still tap on the window, who cares), he’s allowed to roll
His window back up

We gotta be really careful with the victim blaming. Even if the NFL player could have prevented everything by being white, it doesn’t justify the escalation and use of force by the officers.


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One of the cool things in Rebel Ridge is seeing how officers pull out their sidearms and raise them when approaching a suspect they’ve been told by dispatch is not armed. And then you have the ex-marine who never points his gun ever and is constant de-escalation mode. It’s really good timing for this movie.

Lol, what?

If I pulled that crap, I'd get manhandled out of the car, forced to the ground, and handcuffed too. This has literally **** all to do with him being black.

wtf is this ****? Are the cops supposed to know he's some entitled famous athlete? Should that even matter?

No BB, you don't have the right to pull any of that crap in the US. You are required to provide your name, license, registration, insurance, whatever they ask you for. The moment you give a cop any resistance, you are asking for serious trouble, so you'd better have a very good reason for doing so.

You do NOT have to consent to a search, and you do NOT have to answer incriminating questions, apart from the above (which are not incriminating), but that's about the entire list of things you do NOT have to do. And if they have probable cause, even the consent part of the search goes away, because they have the right to search if they think they have evidence of a justification to do so. And btw, unwillingness to cooperate with a cop for a regular traffic stop is probably pretty close to probable cause all on its own.

In fact, cops have way more power when you are in the vehicle, than say, for example, if you are a pedestrian. You give up a lot of rights when you get in a car and start driving - precisely because driving a car is not a right, but rather a license-requiring activity.

In fact, the cops have the right to arrest you if you refuse to sign a ticket, and of course they have the right to use force if you refuse arrest.

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SO, for obvious reasons, if you refuse to give them the information required to write you a ticket, I'm guessing that escalates things immediately to arrest, and in his case resisting arrest.

Am I saying he deserved what happened to him? I'd borderline say out and out yes, with the only caveat being that MAYBE the cops should have been a little bit more patient or shown a bit more restraint, but the counter caveat being that I wouldn't have tried to get away with that kind of behavior, ever.

man, the movie really gets into all this stuff in a big way (consent to search, etc). The timing is hilarious.

it's crazy to me how use of force is so easily justified in the States especially in these situations where literally nothing is happening and there is no threat. Paranoia is not a reason. The training must be terrible.

Scary country to be pulled over.

It's not scary to get pulled over in the US, at all. You... simply... need... to... follow... their... ****... instructions!

Rolling up your window in a cop's face is the stupidest possible thing you could ever do. This is not a US thing. You could go to jail for that in Cyprus, France, Germany, (probably) Austria, Italy, Norway, (probably) England... This is true in every location I've ever driven.

I wouldn't try it anywhere in the world (not the US, not Europe, not Africa, not the Middle East, not Asia, not South America, not even Australia).

Oh, and btw, hiding your actions from a cop is absolutely an implied threat. And absolutely something was happening: he was implicitly (and frankly explicitly) resisting arrest.

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BTW: I love this situation, because, for once, this situation did NOT result in anyone getting injured, or killed, so I can talk about it without hurting anyone's feelings, or whatever nonsense typically occurs. This time the cops didn't kill anyone, so we can focus on the ridiculous behavior that caused the altercation.

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Actually, BB, what happens in Canada if you resist arrest by a police officer? I don't mean immediately, but what happens in the end if you keep resisting arrest? Do they just let you go? Or do they arrest you (e.g.: force compliance), like they would anywhere else?

oh, i think they force (physically) compliance here. But I heard in the UK they DON'T do this (maybe Nighthawk can shed light).

the only issue I have is you're calling this 'resisting arrest', which i agree with you, requires physical force as a response. I just don't think this was a "resisting arrest" situation at all. It was just a non-cooperative driver, who wasn't been placed under arrest at all. He unrolled the window, talked to the officer, rolled it back up when he/she went away.... not getting arrested here.

And I'd disagree that it's an implied threat, and especially such a level of threat that it requires a physical force response.

Anyway, I'd never behave in this way or anything close to this way. But police are going to deal with jerks/****/entitled people sometimes and that doesn't mean they get to open up a can of whoopass. They should show restraint and be professional. Starbucks baristas aren't allowed to spit at karens who complain that the milk is 1% too fat, and cops shouldn't be able to get physical just cuz the person is borderline rude.

I also love this situation too, btw, because no one was killed it means we can really discuss escalation and such. Cuz if someone WAS killed, then the cop is obviously in the wrong and it's much harder to have a nuanced discussion about police practices.

also, WHAT A CRAPPY JOB to be a cop. I would never ever want to do it. The only thing that is attractive is to see how much i can do the job without abusing the obvious power given to me. I have a temper sometimes so I don't think i'd do well at all.

Not rolling the window down dodnt lead to the use of force if I'm reading the transcript of the body cam correctly. Him repeatedly rolling it back up and chastising the cop for knocking on the window repeatedly before answering the cops first question escalated the situation needlessly. His cries of "arrest me" when they were simply detaining him were unneeded

It's just silly and aggressive behaviour in a situation that should be conducted with the utmost respect by both sides

You never roll the window back up unless it's raining and you've asked the officer if you can. With tinted windows it's even worse.

If you know how to conduct yourself in a respectful manner in this situation, why do you hold others to a lower standard?

Because I would want everyone to be the best versions of themselves (me included). Tempers happen but it doesn’t make it acceptable behaviour (even if I do it myself).

I’m sorry but I just don’t get why anyone would be defending him, or saying the cops acted wrongly. I think it’s shocking that we live in a society where disrespecting cops is now commonplace, and, even more troubling, defended as normal, or acceptable. He’s lucky they didn’t take him to prison, impound his car, etc. That’s what would happen if I did the same thing. I think he only got off because they knew who he was by the end of it, and it pisses me off that I live in a society with these kinds of double standards.

It doubly pisses me off that the officers may face reprimands, when he was obviously causing the problem that lead to the entire situation. He got pulled over for a traffic violation… take the ticket(s), fight it in court, idiot.

Trump looked like an idiot tonight

as opposed to every other day?

EDIT: And now Taylor has officially endorsed Harris

Happy 9/11 everybody!