- 3 murder +3 bone picker ? I like the added evasion and the way this deck should easily cast this thing at a discount if you set it up. You are quite low on creatures anyway
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| Author: | WeCoexist [ Sat May 06, 2017 12:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
I promise its good Zombies Creature(18) 2 x Cryptbreaker 2 x Dread Wanderer 4 x Festering Mummy 2 x Scrapheap Scrounger 2 x Diregraf Colossus 3 x Lord of the Accursed 2 x Plague Belcher 1 x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet Instant(9) 3 x Fatal Push 3 x Grasp of Darkness 2 x Murder Sorcery(2) 2 x Dark Salvation Split(2) 2 x Never // Return Enchantment(2) 2 x Liliana's Mastery Planeswalker(2) 1 x Liliana, the Last Hope 1 x Liliana, Death's Majesty Artifact(2) 2 x Smuggler's Copter Land(24) 22 x Swamp 2 x Westvale Abbey |
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| Author: | Kel'Thuzad [ Sat May 06, 2017 1:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
Of course it's good, it's basically my deck + Copters (which I've been meaning to add, lol) Probably worth swapping out 1 Murder for a Graf Harvest. Although I realise Lord gives us an alternative menace option. Maybe also worth throwing in some recursion options for Cryptbreaker and Diregraf. I've found they're very important and the deck can struggle when they are removed. I'm not huge on Scrapheap Scrounger. Not having the zombie tag is a big drawback. It's probably worthwhile in Dimir zombies where it can trigger Prized Amalgam. |
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| Author: | GimmickMan [ Sat May 06, 2017 11:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
I'm not sold on playing all 13 removal spells. It is more dedicated creature kill than most midrange decks have and drawing more removal than zombies makes you a sad zombie player. Also, I can attest that a single Graf Harvest is a good thing to sneak into the battlefield when it does show up. Not worth the risk of drawing a blank when the 2nd shows up though. |
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| Author: | WeCoexist [ Sat May 06, 2017 11:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
I can get behind adding in Graf Harvest for a copy of murder. The removal package has been great so far actually, since this decks tends to go wide with pretty **** creatures (zombies) having a lot of removal comes in handy. Scrounger is just a great two drop for a midrange black deck, especially when we can pitch it with cryptbreaker and copter. |
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| Author: | Hello World [ Sun May 07, 2017 1:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
How relevant is double black by turn 2? I'm wondering if fitting exactly 1 nonblack land might be very close to a straight improvement, other than the cryptbreaker+cryptbreaker/festering+ any one drop+ 2 lands hand I can't imagine many hands where 1 nonblack source hurts you. |
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| Author: | Goblin Rabblemaster [ Sun May 07, 2017 3:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
- 3 murder +3 bone picker ? I like the added evasion and the way this deck should easily cast this thing at a discount if you set it up. You are quite low on creatures anyway
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| Author: | Kel'Thuzad [ Sun May 07, 2017 5:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
Hello World wrote: How relevant is double black by turn 2? I'm wondering if fitting exactly 1 nonblack land might be very close to a straight improvement, other than the cryptbreaker+cryptbreaker/festering+ any one drop+ 2 lands hand I can't imagine many hands where 1 nonblack source hurts you. Not very. There's not many early creature threats that demand a turn 2 Grasp of Darkness. And you often don't want to vomit down all of your 1 drops on T2. If I have the option I prefer to drop a t1 Cryptbreaker, t2 use his ability, t3 Diregraf, then drop the rest of the 1 drops to trigger Diregraf. T3 double black is very important for Lily however. Running 1-2 Westvale Abbey is almost mandatory in a mono-colour token spawning deck. @Rabble, Any non-zombies need to be very solid to justify diluting the tribalism/GY synergy. I wouldn't want to be dropping birds after a T3 Diregraf when I could be spawning tokens (that gain menace, let us draw cards with Cryptbreaker, etc). |
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| Author: | Goblin Rabblemaster [ Sun May 07, 2017 5:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
I've noticed how every single conversation about this zombies deck is how people play cryptbreaker on t1 and colossus on t3. You are reasoning based off on your rares curving out from t1. Bone picker is a 3/2 flying deathtouch (it doesn't have menace though, lol) for  80% of the time! It doesn't need any dreamy curves of rares to just be a great card for an aggressive deck, also I didn't dilute anything, I removed 3 redundant removal spells for top tier beaters.Say you play your dread wanderer t1 on the draw, and they play a sylvan advocate/anything with 3 toughness. Without a dreamy sequence of lords and stuff that is gonna spell bad news. With bone picker, you just go : don't care, in for 2 ! Block ? Fine ! Picker, Picker, go. (See I can reason from the best case scenario too) |
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| Author: | The Secret of TIMH [ Sun May 07, 2017 6:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
Goblin Rabblemaster wrote: Say you play your dread wanderer t1 on the draw, and they play a sylvan advocate/anything with 3 toughness. Without a dreamy sequence of lords and stuff that is gonna spell bad news. With bone picker, you just go : don't care, in for 2 ! Block ? Fine ! Picker, Picker, go. (See I can reason from the best case scenario too) Wouldn't best case scenario be T1 Dread Wanderer, T2 Push Advocate + play Picker for + deal 2 with Wanderer? 
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| Author: | Kel'Thuzad [ Sun May 07, 2017 6:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
My mistake on the dilution. I didn't notice the -3 Murder and assumed you were cutting zombies. It's early here  Although those 2 dreamy rares on curve are the main early token producers. Without them there's a bit less expendable stuff to kill off. But then again you can remove opponent's creatures to trigger it. |
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| Author: | Goblin Rabblemaster [ Mon May 08, 2017 2:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
The Secret of TIMH wrote: Goblin Rabblemaster wrote: Say you play your dread wanderer t1 on the draw, and they play a sylvan advocate/anything with 3 toughness. Without a dreamy sequence of lords and stuff that is gonna spell bad news. With bone picker, you just go : don't care, in for 2 ! Block ? Fine ! Picker, Picker, go. (See I can reason from the best case scenario too) Wouldn't best case scenario be T1 Dread Wanderer, T2 Push Advocate + play Picker for + deal 2 with Wanderer? Sure, but mine sends more of a message 
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| Author: | zzmorg82 [ Mon May 08, 2017 8:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
Goblin Rabblemaster wrote: With bone picker, you just go : don't care, in for 2 ! Block ? Fine ! Picker, Picker, go. (See I can reason from the best case scenario too) Untap, Draw, Play Plains into Gideon of the Trials. Plus 1 targeting Bone Picker, response? Alright, go. 
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| Author: | WeCoexist [ Sun May 14, 2017 1:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
-1 Swamp -1 Murder +2 Westvale Abbey |
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| Author: | Haven_pt [ Sun May 14, 2017 5:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
This is my version I put together Last week but haven't gotten around to testing yet. Looks like zombies are here to stay and its good to see mono decks Thriving. Mono-black Zumbis Creature(20) 2 x Dread Wanderer 2 x Cryptbreaker 2 x Festering Mummy 2 x Shambling Ghoul 2 x Diregraf Colossus 2 x Plague Belcher 1 x Yahenni, Undying Partisan 3 x Lord of the Accursed 1 x Liliana, Heretical Healer 2 x Gavony Unhallowed 1 x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet Instant(5) 3 x Fatal Push 2 x Grasp of Darkness Sorcery(2) 2 x Dark Salvation Split(1) 1 x Never Enchantment(3) 1 x Graf Harvest 2 x Liliana's Mastery Planeswalker(2) 1 x Liliana, the Last Hope 1 x Liliana, Death's Majesty Artifact(4) 2 x Stoneforge Masterwork 2 x Smuggler's Copter Land(23) 21 x Swamp 2 x Westvale Abbey To view this deck go to: https://www.magicduelshelper.com/deckli ... e8a355bc6c Created using Magic Duels Helper: http://www.magicduelshelper.com Duels doesn't have some of the power cards of standard and rarity restrictions also put a dent in the raw power, but still looks highly playable. Might cut something for the Scroungers and the vehicle suite, especially skysouvereign. |
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| Author: | Kel'Thuzad [ Sun May 14, 2017 7:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
Hmm Galvony could work but his 4cmc cost deters me. We mostly want cheap zombies to trigger Diregraf, sacrifice and/or fill the GY. Maybe Liliana's Elite? 1cmc cheaper and he gets his buff on ETB.. still synergises with anything that has died, just in a round-about way. I'd also like to see a Vampiric Rites if running a small sacrifice sub-theme like this. Yahenni could be subbed for Nantuko Husk if you want a sac outlet but don't want to dilute the zombie tribalism. Shambling is tempting for the value stats, but if you ever find entering tapped is costing you games against aggro, it could be subbed for Rancid Rats as a defensive death-touch deterrence - or just the other two copies of Festering Mummy. I'd keep away from Scroungers unless ditching Yahenni & baby Lily etc. as you might become too thin on zombies. Also like to have a couple of ways to fetch clutch Diregrafs and Cryptbreakers from the GY - Most of my losses come when those get removed early. |
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| Author: | callmemaggit [ Mon May 15, 2017 1:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
As argued in the other thread, I think Orzhov is just superior, by a long way. Much better 2 CC zombies and removal more than makes up for the loss of consistency of going bicolor |
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| Author: | WeCoexist [ Mon May 15, 2017 3:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
callmemaggit wrote: As argued in the other thread, I think Orzhov is just superior, by a long way. Much better 2 CC zombies and removal more than makes up for the loss of consistency of going bicolor I don't remember anyone in here saying that mono black was better. But I definitely don't think that orzhov is "superior by a long way" |
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| Author: | callmemaggit [ Mon May 15, 2017 4:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
WeCoexist wrote: I don't remember anyone in here saying that mono black was better. But I definitely don't think that orzhov is "superior by a long way" No, it's me saying that the Orzhov is...don't take it personally, mate I really feel there's a big difference, but ey, it can be just me...for me, Bindings and Servants are at another level of synergy than Miasmic, that is meh without a hellbent/discard/recurring theme And Cast Out/AU is also way better than Never // Return My point is that the Orzhov build is a lot closer to what is being played at the PT, with good results, than the mono-black...we really lack key pieces for the mono version, like Relentless, the 4 Crypts/Wanderers or the Mimics |
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| Author: | zzmorg82 [ Mon May 15, 2017 9:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: [AKH] Mono Black Zombies |
You can get more versatility out of WB Zombies instead of Mono Black. 
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