It is currently Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:01 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 29 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:44 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Dec 05, 2013
Posts: 1512
With the new Elves we got, along with great cheap Vehicles for defense against Flying, and Reclamation Sage rocketing up in value, I gave a whirl at making a new semi-Revolt themed Elf deck. It works surprisingly well! Check it out:

1 x Sunblade Elf
1 x Narnam Renegade
3 x Fatal Push
2 x Sylvan Advocate
2 x Elvish Visionary
2 x Smuggler's Copter
2 x Conviction
2 x Oath of Ajani
2 x Nature's Way
1 x Nissa, Vastwood Seer
2 x Reclamation Sage
1 x Silkweaver Elite
2 x Shaman of the Pack
2 x Aethersphere Harvester
2 x Anguished Unmaking
1 x Liliana, the Last Hope
1 x Nissa, Voice of Zendikar
2 x Dwynen, Gilt-Leaf Daen
1 x Angelic Destiny
2 x Yaheeni's Expertise
1 x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
1 x Gilt-Leaf Winnower
1 x Ob Nixilis Reignited
1 x Nissa, Vital Force


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:57 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Oct 31, 2013
Posts: 1152
That is a train wreck of a mana curve. GG WW BB and for...Elves? You could smooth out the mana and have a better Elf deck, or have a much better non-Elf deck for GG WW BB costs.

_________________
Stainless: We put the "eff it" in "effort."

Warning to new people: Disregard me entirely and probably everything I post unless I tell you you're being a cockrhino or dickephant.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:08 pm 
Offline
Member

Joined: Apr 09, 2016
Posts: 132
Do you not have all the cards yet? It sure seems strange to run so many 1 offs.

_________________
Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197986052940/
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0b4JN ... 5-2lcVDjnw


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:08 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: May 27, 2016
Posts: 87
Lacks revolt activators. Try adding 4 unbridled growth, can help with mana fixing as well. There's a white enchantment that gives +1/+1 and vigilance. Also elf gets eaten by vehicles/artifacts right now.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:36 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Dec 05, 2013
Posts: 1512
Actually, I've got 10-0 with the deck, including against Vehicles. Maybe try it out before you do the slam dance.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:47 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Oct 31, 2013
Posts: 1152
MU: *Asks for advice.*
GoA: *Gives advice.*
MU: *Throws an absolute hissy fit.*

Grats on going 10-0 against single digit rank scrubs, I guess? Try playing against people with full collections and real decks and get back to me with those results. Also, grats on getting ten matches in a bit less than three hours.

(Actually, I think you're lying about the 10-0, but hey.)

_________________
Stainless: We put the "eff it" in "effort."

Warning to new people: Disregard me entirely and probably everything I post unless I tell you you're being a cockrhino or dickephant.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:00 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Mar 18, 2016
Posts: 5367
Location: Anyway the wind blows
Identity: doesnt really matter
Preferred Pronoun Set: to me
Biting, but didn't seem like an absolute hissy fit. That said:

@Mythic - you should prob list your mana base if you expect anyone to try it... if deck was still in brain brewing phase and you hadn't gotten that far, that's fine, but nobody can play your deck if you only show us 2/3 of it...

_________________
Duels Decklists, updated 10/03/19

Yes I’m fine with killing women and children.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:01 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Jan 27, 2014
Posts: 5045
I believe you that Elves may be good again.. but I don't believe that particular deck list looks very good. What's your ideal curve scenario? Why aren't those card at Max copies? I count 38 cards.. only 22 lands? I run 23 in RDW that tops out at 3 mana.. because I know what my ideal curve scenario looks like to consistently get turn 4/5 kills.. and you need mana to do that chit. I went 10-0 and hit the gold cap with said RDW tonight.. but that doesn't mean its good, or optimal, etc.

_________________
Drown Me In Blood - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AQXuq5-638g


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:10 am 
Offline
Member

Joined: Nov 03, 2013
Posts: 7278
Location: Your Head
Identity: Im not a cat
Why have white if you want an elves deck? I think BG elves would probably do much better. screw those enchantments, get more elves. Your deck looks confused as to whether it wants to be a Planeswalker deck, an elf deck or a **** deck.

You've only got 14 elves in the deck and multiple cards that are only good with multiple elves in play. Only 2 1-drops? Why even play 1-drops? The black 1-drop elf is much better than the ones you included, especially if you remove the white. Where are the elf token generators? I would hardly call this an elf deck.

But hey, if you went 10-0 with it, more power to ya.

_________________
Secretly aspires to be a Nihilist.

NGA's First Historic Tournament Champion


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:05 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Oct 31, 2013
Posts: 1152
Maybe 10-0 on the back of double Copter draws, because it's a good card if you're playing creatures, even if they're trash creatures inexplicably spread over three colours when two would do just fine. Yahenni's Expertise in exactly the kind of deck it's intended to slaughter? Why not!

I mean I tried to help, and you don't have to accept the help, but you don't need to be randomly hateful about it. But whatever. Even if you posted a video of going 10-0 with this, I still wouldn't believe it unless the matches were with people you knew, rigged, or you actually played 23 games but edited out all the losses. I mean maindeck Conviction FFS. Isn't this the deck from one of the storyline matches? Except randomly three colour and with random mythics because why not?

_________________
Stainless: We put the "eff it" in "effort."

Warning to new people: Disregard me entirely and probably everything I post unless I tell you you're being a cockrhino or dickephant.


Last edited by GobO_Stasis on Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:08 am, edited 1 time in total.
Removed Flames


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:29 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Jan 07, 2016
Posts: 301
I believe you that Elves may be good again.. but I don't believe that particular deck list looks very good.


Pretty much this. I would start by cutting the and just going with the standard G/B Elves. Then we'll go from there.

Elves are on my 'to do' list for AER, so I might have a crack at it right now.

Edit; here's my take on AER Elves

Creatures
4x Thornbow Archer
3x Narnam Renegade
3x Dwynen's Elite
1x Greenwheel Liberator (not sure about this.. mostly included for testing)
2x Druid of the Cowl (might try to get more of these in.. very good for early mana/ramp)
2x Reclamation Sage
2x Silkweaver Elite (not amazing but the card draw and Reach are handy.. subject to testing)
3x Shaman of the Pack
2x Dwynen, Gilt-Leaf Daen
3x Lys Alana Huntsmaster (the heart & soul of any token elf deck)
1x Cultivator of Blades (additional wincon with lots of Elves on the board)

Vehicles
1x Smuggler's Copter
1x Aethersphere Harvester

Enchantments
1x Evolutionary Leap (great for pseudo removal protection, revolt activations, or sacrificing 1/1 tokens to fetch proper creatures)

Instant/Sorcery
2x Fatal Push
2x Bone Splinters (imo this is now relevant again for revolt decks, especially this one with lots of expendable 1/1 tokens to sac)
2x Grasp of Darkness (solid card but could be replaced with more Push/Splinters)
1x Yahenni's Expertise (board reset if things go bad and cast a bonus card. Alternative: Languish for stronger sweep but no bonus cast)

Walkers
Nissa, Voice of Zendikar (pumping every creature when you have this many of them is a big deal)

Lands (23)
8x Forest
3x Swamp
2x Hissing Quagmire
2x Woodland Cemetary
4x Evolving Wilds (revolt activator)
1x Aether Hub (mostly to get 1 more Lifelink from the Harverster)

I'd also like to fit in a Rogue's Passage to break stalemates, but needs to be combo'd with a pump spell like Might of the Masses for lethal

_________________
"Minions, servants, soldiers of the cold dark! Obey the call... of Kel'Thuzad!"

Image


Last edited by Kel'Thuzad on Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:50 am, edited 4 times in total.

Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:48 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Nov 26, 2015
Posts: 350
Location: Belgium
If I remember correctly, Legenvd did a video of Sultai Elves last season... Not top tier, but it looked pretty fun! And that's what it's all about, right? If your Elves work, awesome! Even if it is against low level players, if that's your meta for now, so be it.

_________________
My Magic Duels You Tube channel: http://www.youtube.com/c/Mackey79


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:50 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Nov 10, 2013
Posts: 3347
Identity: Male
Preferred Pronoun Set: He
I don't like the idea of "oops, at least I have a boardwipe" in a creature heavy deck, it just seems to go against the main deck idea and seems to bend the deck in directions it's not meant to.
The deck should probably be buckling down with more elves vs other go wide weenies, not keeping a dead card for just in case they can wipe the board against them.

_________________
Cards have names?
Dunno about the cards but my twitch and youtube sure do: https://www.twitch.tv/wrightjustice and https://www.youtube.com/user/Wasomacosalo


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:59 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Jan 27, 2014
Posts: 5045
I still think the best way for Elves to win is to play a crap ton of elves, get in damage where you can, then blast face with Shaman of the Pack.. using Eldritch Evolution to tutor them up if you don't draw them. I also like LVDs Sultai list.. bc 3/3 Sky rider and the 3/4 converge dude are pretty decent in this meta.

_________________
Drown Me In Blood - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AQXuq5-638g


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:42 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Oct 31, 2013
Posts: 1152
Kel'Thuzad wrote:
Spoiler


See, this is much more streamlined.

_________________
Stainless: We put the "eff it" in "effort."

Warning to new people: Disregard me entirely and probably everything I post unless I tell you you're being a cockrhino or dickephant.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:54 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Dec 05, 2013
Posts: 1512
I forgot that on this board there is an empirical formula for determining if a deck is "Good" that does NOT take into account "how often it wins". LOL.

As for "lacking Revolt activators", you're not thinking outside the box.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:57 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Nov 10, 2013
Posts: 17758
Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
These are experienced deck builders giving you feedback Mythic !

And yeah, how am I supposed to take this for a spin when you don't put the mana! You're worse than Gem :(


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:11 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Jul 11, 2015
Posts: 1082
Location: Somewhere in Time
Okay adding white is VERY questionable to begin with. But to add white and run sh*t like Conviction when you could run Selfless Spirit, which at least attempts to counteract one of Elves' biggest weaknesses seems silly. Always Watching? Collective Effort? I mean if you're running white in a Creature heavy deck (which BTW, you aren't running enough creatures - drop the **** sweepers this isn't midrange, you live and die by your board presence) at least do it properly.

_________________
My Decks:
Spoiler

'Where is the fighting man?
Am I he?
You would trade every truth
For hollow victories'.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:41 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Oct 31, 2013
Posts: 1152
I forgot that on this board there is an empirical formula for determining if a deck is "Good" that does NOT take into account "how often it wins". LOL.

As for "lacking Revolt activators", you're not thinking outside the box.


Tell you what, you're absolutely right. Please take this to the Steam Showdown Challenge as your official decklist. I definitely can't wait to see you in first place with this list.

_________________
Stainless: We put the "eff it" in "effort."

Warning to new people: Disregard me entirely and probably everything I post unless I tell you you're being a cockrhino or dickephant.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:29 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Nov 10, 2013
Posts: 17758
Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Careful, someone said that to me about vamps and I almost made it


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 29 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group