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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:16 pm 
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Next theme should be decks with 50% or more artifacts.

That's a deck that's asking to be made but nobody's really made a good build yet.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:36 pm 
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Next theme should be decks with 50% or more artifacts.

That's a deck that's asking to be made but nobody's really made a good build yet.

I keep pointing out CGB's rakdos eggs deck and it would meet that artifact requirement. Its a lot of fun and actually can win a reasonable amount of games. It includes Incendiary Sabotage which some one wanted to build around too.

I don't have the link handy but it's on his deck box on magic duels helper.

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Haven_pt wrote:
Next theme should be decks with 50% or more artifacts.

That's a deck that's asking to be made but nobody's really made a good build yet.


Including lands? Because if so, that's not going to be a good build no matter who's attempting it.

If not including lands, might I direct your attention to my post a page ago: http://forum.nogoblinsallowed.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=17763&start=160#p539899. Not T1 good, but very playable, fun, and likely T2 good. Idk how you guys are finishing that tap 100 artifacts challenge... just playing 15-20 games w/ vehicles.deck?

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Next theme should be decks with 50% or more artifacts.

That's a deck that's asking to be made but nobody's really made a good build yet.

I keep pointing out CGB's rakdos eggs deck and it would meet that artifact requirement. Its a lot of fun and actually can win a reasonable amount of games. It includes Incendiary Sabotage which some one wanted to build around too.

I don't have the link handy but it's on his deck box on magic duels helper.

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Ninja'd me, you dirty ****er :p

Did CGB do a Rakdos version too? I only ever saw his mono red version. The only Rakdos version I've seen is Snakejuices twist on CGBs version. Personally I like rakdos better - Unlicensed Disintegration matters.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:39 pm 
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Haven_pt wrote:
Next theme should be decks with 50% or more artifacts.

That's a deck that's asking to be made but nobody's really made a good build yet.

You are close :P

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Ninja'd me, you dirty ****er :p

Did CGB do a Rakdos version too? I only ever saw his mono red version. The only Rakdos version I've seen is Snakejuices twist on CGBs version. Personally I like rakdos better - Unlicensed Disintegration matters.

Yeah he streamed a mono red version but later talked about his rakdos version when he was reviewing lists for the tournament.

Here's the link: https://www.magicduelshelper.com/deckli ... 35283d748e

The inclusion of :b: was definitely the right call. Like I've mentioned before, there are a ton of activations so you have to be aware of your clock (decks like these make me wish they hadn't removed the right click from Steam) but other than that, it's a lot of fun.


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Lol, well I've officially failed the latest challenge. I could not in good conscience subject anyone else to my garbage flicker decks. I guess I'll do the next one. Best I could do: 2 in 3 games. Terrible. That's of the ones I even bothered trying against real opponents. Flicker has nothing on a t3 Cultivator Caravan, or even a tireless tracker. See you guys on the next one.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:25 am 
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Lol, well I've officially failed the latest challenge. I could not in good conscience subject anyone else to my garbage flicker decks. I guess I'll do the next one. Best I could do: 2 in 3 games. Terrible. That's of the ones I even bothered trying against real opponents. Flicker has nothing on a t3 Cultivator Caravan, or even a tireless tracker. See you guys on the next one.

Rec Sage works pretty well on Caravan and Reflector mage solves Tracker or dec stone, maybe you are trying to build a mono blue version or something :)

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I have the problem of having too many builds... :blush:

Every time I start testing one, I have a tremendous new idea about another build and then I begin to brew, instead of keep with the f**ng testing

But today I'm determined to choose one. Promise. :V


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Lol, well I've officially failed the latest challenge. I could not in good conscience subject anyone else to my garbage flicker decks. I guess I'll do the next one. Best I could do: 2 in 3 games. Terrible. That's of the ones I even bothered trying against real opponents. Flicker has nothing on a t3 Cultivator Caravan, or even a tireless tracker. See you guys on the next one.

Rec Sage works pretty well on Caravan and Reflector mage solves Tracker or dec stone, maybe you are trying to build a mono blue version or something :)


I've tried that deck, exactly the deck you are describing, probably off by less than 4/5 cards - Bant something or other good stuff flicker. It was worse than the decks that lost so badly yesterday, one of which has rec sage, and the other has reflector mage in any case. :cry:


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DJ0045 wrote:
I've tried that deck, exactly the deck you are describing, probably off by less than 4/5 cards - Bant something or other good stuff flicker. It was worse than the decks that lost so badly yesterday, one of which has rec sage, and the other has reflector mage in any case. :cry:


If you believe something will fail before even starting, then you will most likely play badly just to prove yourself right :D

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:24 am 
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Other 2 days to submit your decklists, till now 3 deckbuilders joined this round. To whom has still doubts: complete freedom on colors, explore what is not obvious, abuse etb effects maybe not for the effect itself, remember that it could also be only a subtheme then find other themes that synergy with this one. Now it's up to you.

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DJ0045 wrote:
I've tried that deck, exactly the deck you are describing, probably off by less than 4/5 cards - Bant something or other good stuff flicker. It was worse than the decks that lost so badly yesterday, one of which has rec sage, and the other has reflector mage in any case. :cry:


If you believe something will fail before even starting, then you will most likely play badly just to prove yourself right :D


Lol. :cry:

I can improve all of these decks: step 1) relax the 8+ flicker spell requirement.


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I've tried that deck, exactly the deck you are describing, probably off by less than 4/5 cards - Bant something or other good stuff flicker. It was worse than the decks that lost so badly yesterday, one of which has rec sage, and the other has reflector mage in any case. :cry:


If you believe something will fail before even starting, then you will most likely play badly just to prove yourself right :D


Lol. :cry:

I can improve all of these decks: step 1) relax the 8+ flicker spell requirement.

We already relaxed it in 5-6 flicker spells.

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That changes everything. :-/. Okay then


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Haven_pt wrote:
Next theme should be decks with 50% or more artifacts.

That's a deck that's asking to be made but nobody's really made a good build yet.


Ey, by pure chance the last deck I built before the flicker contest was a Rakdos with 20 artifacts, out of 36 spells...

Let me see:

2 x Walking Ballista

2 x Bomat Courier
2 x Fatal Push

1 x Syndicate Trafficker
3 x Forerunner of Slaughter
2 x Scrapheap Scrounger
1 x Heart of Kiran
2 x Smuggler's Copter
2 x Harnessed Lightning

2 x Scrap Trawler
1 x Filigree Familiar
1 x Thopter Engineer
3 x Foundry Inspector
1 x Aethersphere Harvester
2 x Pia's Revolution
3 x Unlicensed Disintegration

2 x Untethered Express

1 x Skysovereign, Consul Flagship

1 x Noxious Gearhulk
1 x Marionette Master

1 x Herald of Anguish

8 x Swamp
7 x Mountain

2 x Smoldering Marsh
2 x Dragonskull Summit
3 x Aether Hub
2 x Inventors' Fair


It's a Rakdos Cars, with a subtheme of recursion thrown in to keep the gas flowing mid-game ( Trawlers and PiaRev, both incredibly sick here...zombie 1 mana ballistas FTW...the build is quite slanted to those 2 cards, with Inspectors etc...think of the possibilities...)
Oh, and a Herald, lol...not bad at all here. And a MM, that makes vehicles even harder tro deal with, not counting Trafficker, Couriers, Ballistas etc than can mean direct win by autosac

Untethered Express is underrated, btw...here, with 3 Forerunners, is probably deadlier than a Cruiser, and easier (but it's in my Constrictor brews where it shines, I just realized and yep, the trains love the snakes, believe me)

Edited for minor changes, Chiefs are non-bo with Ballistas


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Haven_pt wrote:
Next theme should be decks with 50% or more artifacts.

That's a deck that's asking to be made but nobody's really made a good build yet.


Ey, by pure chance the last deck I built before the flicker contest was a Rakdos with 21 artifacts, out of 36 spells...

Let me see:

2 x Walking Ballista

2 x Bomat Courier
2 x Fatal Push

1 x Syndicate Trafficker
3 x Forerunner of Slaughter
2 x Scrapheap Scrounger
1 x Heart of Kiran
2 x Smuggler's Copter
2 x Harnessed Lightning

2 x Scrap Trawler
2 x Chief of the Foundry
3 x Foundry Inspector
1 x Cultivator's Caravan
1 x Aethersphere Harvester
2 x Pia's Revolution
3 x Unlicensed Disintegration

1 x Untethered Express

1 x Skysovereign, Consul Flagship

1 x Noxious Gearhulk
1 x Marionette Master

1 x Herald of Anguish

8 x Swamp
7 x Mountain

2 x Smoldering Marsh
2 x Dragonskull Summit
3 x Aether Hub
2 x Inventors' Fair


It's a Rakdos Cars, with a subtheme of recursion thrown in to keep the gas flowing mid-game ( Trawlers and PiaRev, both incredibly sick here...zombie 1 mana ballistas FTW...the build is quite slanted to those 2 cards, with Chiefs and Inspectors etc...think of the posssibilities...)
Oh, and a Herald, lol...not bad at all here. And a MM, that makes vehicles even harder tro deal with, not counting Trafficker, Couriers, Ballistas etc than can mean direct win by autosac

Untethered Express is underrated, btw...here, with 3 Forerunners, is probably deadlier than a Cruiser, and easier (but it's in my Constrictor brews where it shines, I just realized and yep, the trains love the snakes, believe me)

Looks nice, no Engineer? Too many 3-drops?

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Looks nice, no Engineer? Too many 3-drops?


13 (I just cut one :P ) x 3CC drops is still reasonable, I'm not trying to be super fast, but overwhelming

U know...we can't really emulate real (paper) Mardu nor Boros etc Cars...we don't have 4 Toolcrafts nor 4 Thrabens, we lack 10-12 1 mana good drops...so I tend to make vehicles builds mid-rangeish...and for that, the recursion theme is awesome, but heavy on the 3 CC spot

I tried Engenieers, love them...but I want cards with more punch for this buid...also, as mentioned, I really didn't want even more 3CC drops, lol...and Inspectors, Trawlers and UDs are key all, besides the couple vehicles
Finally, Forerunners make for the loss half the time...tho finally I included 1 for the laughs, in exchange of a Chief, who goes bad with recurring Ballistas

Edit: haha, precisely on point, I just pulled a t5 win thanks to a Forerunner making my Express hasty

http://imgur.com/a/mKIjO

Classic play line: t2 Forerunner t3 Inspector t4 Flagship (nice!) t5 hasted Express FTW


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Haven_pt wrote:
Looks nice, no Engineer? Too many 3-drops?


13 (I just cut one :P ) x 3CC drops is still reasonable, I'm not trying to be super fast, but overwhelming

U know...we can't really emulate real (paper) Mardu nor Boros etc Cars...we don't have 4 Toolcrafts nor 4 Thrabens, we lack 10-12 1 mana good drops...so I tend to make vehicles builds mid-rangeish...and for that, the recursion theme is awesome, but heavy on the 3 CC spot

I tried Engenieers, love them...but I want cards with more punch for this buid...also, as mentioned, I really didn't want even more 3CC drops, lol...and Inspectors, Trawlers and UDs are key all, besides the couple vehicles
Finally, Forerunners make for the loss half the time...tho finally I included 1 for the laughs, in exchange of a Chief, who goes bad with recurring Ballistas

Edit: haha, precisely on point, I just pulled a t5 win thanks to a Forerunner making my Express hasty

http://imgur.com/a/mKIjO

Classic play line: t2 Forerunner t3 Inspector t4 Flagship (nice!) t5 hasted Express FTW

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Well, I failed miserably. I was going to submit a jank flicker pile that utilised Flameshadow Conjuring to get the most insane value possible out of ETB effects, but there comes a moment when you have to admit that your jank is really unplayable sh*t. No amount of testing/tuning could save it. Maybe I'll have better luck in the next round.

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