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When I play aggro players and get a really sadistic counter heavy draw,I imagine them as you guys.

Is it still worth it to run Lily? I'm toying with running Kefnet in the 3 drop slot as he doesn't lose relevance late.

Kefnet > Lili Last Hope for sure. That -1 isn't helping much and she's got more obstacles to hit ult than before. Kefnet has been better than I expected at first.

I think it depends on how your control deck is built; in the OP; my deck is counterspell heavy so protecting Lily until her ultimate isn't difficult to do, and of course her -2 is still relevant for Gearhulk and Disciple.

I'm willing to give Kefnet a shot (assuming I can get a goddamn game ). Current build looks like this;

Careless Whesper

Creature
1x Kefnet the Mindful
1x Disciple of the Ring
1x Torrential Gearhulk

Instant
3x Fatal Push
2x Blessed Alliance
3x Censor
2x Pull From Tomorrow
2x Grasp of Darkness
3x Spell Shrivel
2x Scatter to the Winds
2x Anguished Unmaking
3x Glimmer of Genius
1x Confirm Suspicions

Sorcery
2x Languish

Split
1x Commit // Memory

Enchantment
2x Cast Out

Planeswalker
1x Jace, Unraveler of Secrets
1x Ob Nixilis Reignited
1x Sorin, Grim Nemesis

Land
2x Prairie Stream
2x Shambling Vent
1x Plains
2x Sunken Hollow
3x Island
3x Swamp
2x Isolated Chapel
2x Drowned Catacomb
2x Glacial Fortress
4x Evolving Wilds
3x Aether Hub

I really, really want Commit // Memory to be the last Grasp of Darkness but mill is pretty common on the ladder. I'm sure experiences like the one BBB had will teach these demons running tutelage a lesson and it will die off.

Even though I told Vert to run the second Confirm I'm running Ob because I already have enough counters and want stuff that kills.

Lily > kefnet by a mile

Nope. Not even close now.

Not only is Lili a more consistent removal and win con, add he recurs our other win cons,too.

Current build I'm testing

3x fatal push
1x jace
3x blessed alliance
3x censor
3x unsubstantiate
2x scatter
4 spell shrivel
1x murder
2x anguished unmaking
1x lili
2x glimmer
2x languish
1x Gideon
1 disciple
1x confirm
1x big jace
1x ob
1x gearhulk
1x sorin

5 island
2 plains
2 swamp
2 vents
2x sunken hollow
2 prairie
2 drowned
2 isolated chapel
2 glacial fortress
3 hub
4 wilds

Undefeated so far, but I've only played one mill deck. Amazing vs. aggrp

Less consistent wincon. This is semantics anyway, if you're ticking to 7 loyalty or 7 cards, you've won. Saying her -2 is good for just Gearhulk and Disciple in your deck is laughable tho.

Those (plus little Jace) is amazing.

Plus bringing back gearhulk to cast it and flashback anguished is my favourite FU to mill decks.

Why I love Esper : I started playing for the day and got a new quest of beatdown (deal 60)

I'm 4-0. The quest is at 5/60

Vert, I count 62 cards in the main and 26 land.

3 x Fatal Push

3 x Censor
2 x Declaration in Stone
3 x Grasp of Darkness
4 x Essence Scatter

2 x Anguished Unmaking
2 x Never // Return
4 x Spell Shrivel

3 x Cast Out
2 x Languish

2 x Pull from Tomorrow

1 x Jace, Unraveler of Secrets
1 x Ob Nixilis Reignited
1 x Sorin, Grim Nemesis

1 x Disciple of the Ring


_Currently trying this list. Excluding the early PWs and baby Jace. Also, excluding Telling Time, Glimmer, Confirm, Scatter & Gearhulk. I'm also testing Grasping Dunes instead of Aether Hub.

Nah, it's 60. Just recounted.

And I hadn't considered the new lands. Grasping dunes is definitely the best, but probably better suited for a 2 color deck.

What do you guys think of never to return? Sorcery sux but it takes care of any PW or creature and can exile a scrounger etc

We have Anguished and Cast out. Frankly Never would be like our 6th option. Doesn't seem worth it to me.

I love the added flexibility it has since you can target planeswalkers with it, and the return side is great too as graveyard hate.

28 lands vert? Count again

Oh , dunno why I put 5 island

It's 3 island