No Goblins Allowed :: If I manage to create a copy of a Planeswalker,

306.5b A planeswalker is treated as if its text box included, “This permanent enters the battlefield
with a number of loyalty counters on it equal to its printed loyalty number.” This ability creates
a replacement effect (see rule 614.1c).

706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s
characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode,
targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The
“copiable values” are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name,
mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or
loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by “as . . . enters the
battlefield” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set
additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status,
and counters are not copied.

Author:	ParadOxymoron [ Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:22 pm ]
Post subject:	If I manage to create a copy of a Planeswalker,
Ignoring the legend rule, If the Planeswalker has less counters than it started with, Does the copy enter the battlefield with the same number of counters as the original had when I copied it, or with the loyalty counter amount printed in the bottom right?

Author:	CuriousHeartless [ Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:02 am ]
Post subject:	Re: If I manage to create a copy of a Planeswalker,
I'd assume the starting loyalty as that's what that particular PW enters with. Same way copying a creature with a -1/-1 counter on it won't make the copy enter with lowered P/T

Author:	Argus Panoptes [ Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:50 am ]
Post subject:	Re: If I manage to create a copy of a Planeswalker,
Quote: 306.5b A planeswalker is treated as if its text box included, “This permanent enters the battlefield with a number of loyalty counters on it equal to its printed loyalty number.” This ability creates a replacement effect (see rule 614.1c). This doesn't change if the planeswalker is a copy. Quote: 706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The “copiable values” are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.

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